Ndugu Warsama,
If
Uhuru refuse to comply with Rome statute and defy order from ICC yet Ruto is
complying with the same ICC court, and considering the provocative derogative
instances of naming Sang in every media reporting as dwarf, dont you think a lot
is providing fodder to chaos?
What
shall become of the Victims of injustices of Kenya? Isn’t the situation as well creating a fluid
situation of serious mistrust pitying Ruto against Uhuru with suspicion of Ruto
and possibly sang being taken for the goose for roast........thus creating a
crack with looming war between the Kalenjin and the
Kikuyus............???
Is
Kenya really safe even after the smoky Wastegate situation of terror with some
more threats for renewed attack worse than the Wastegate hovering all over in
the news media???
If Kenyas court has failed and are not able to
prosecute even the small local cases and also extradite Walter Baraza to ICC
Hague because of high level of corruption and impunity, and if Kenya is still
host to many criminal gangs like Chinedu what do we expect of the security and safety
of Kenyans in general, are Kenyans safe???
Judy Miriga
Diaspora Spokesperson
Executive Director
Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc.,
USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com
Diaspora Spokesperson
Executive Director
Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc.,
USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com
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I am sure God mandated Uhuru Kenyatta to lead Africa out of the trap that was set for her by the Rome Statute in 1998 which only now we are beginning to discover is nothing less than a neocolonial conspiracy against African national independence and sovereignty. Just see who are pulling the puppet strings behind the ICC - none other than the Greatest Butcher since Stalin's Russia, the USA.
What business or interest does the USA have in insisting Kenya complies with the ICC when the USA has been and continues to refuse to be a party to the ICC because it will compromise its national sovereignty ? The day George Bush removed the USA from the ICC Statute because of American sovereignty, Africa should have walked out of the ICC. That little island called Britain which is an errand boy for the USA has also refused to join the ICC because it conflicted with its sovereign interests.
It comes as no surprise that the biggest violators of international laws and perpetrators of genocide and impunity are these two partners in crime, USA and Britain, both of whom shun the ICC like the plague but are not averse to telling Kenya to obey the ICC.
Africa won its independence by fighting with bare hands against the might of colonial guns. Africa should now reclaim its independence and sovereignty from the Western-controlled ICC by ditching the ICC overnight.
I am hoping to hear our President, Uhuru Kenyatta, boldly declare on Mashujaa Day October 20 that he is answerable for his sins only to the People of Kenya and that only the People of Kenya can arrest him, not the ICC. Hence, he will not be cowed by threats like an ICC arrest warrant. and let the whole of Africa stand solidly with him.
If this happens, the West will beat a hasty retreat including scrapping the ICC. Let us not be duped by the Western propaganda that the ICC will not budge and all that kind of shit.
If we unanimously resolve that Africans will be judged in Africa by Africans there is nothing the white man can do to us.
Mohamed Warsama
News / Africa
Kenya Court to Rule on ICC Extradition Request
Walter Barasa fights extradition on
charges of witness tampering
Published on Oct 11, 2013
Published on Oct 15, 2013
Journalist Walter Barasa will not be
handed over to the international criminal court and will continue receiving 24
hr. security. This is after high court judge Richard Munga ruled that the
interim orders be extended. The parties to the case will however be back to
court on Friday for directions on how the case will proceed. Barasa is wanted by
the ICC on accusations of interfering with witnesses to the ongoing cases
against deputy president William Ruto and Joshua Arap Sang.
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Published on Oct 15, 2013
Journalist Walter Barasa will not be
handed over to the international criminal court and will continue receiving 24
hr. security. This is after high court judge Richard Munga ruled that the
interim orders be extended. The parties to the case will however be back to
court on Friday for directions on how the case will proceed. Barasa is wanted by
the ICC on accusations of interfering with witnesses to the ongoing cases
against deputy president William Ruto and Joshua Arap Sang.
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Last updated on: October 17, 2013 3:59 PM
A Kenyan court plans to rule Friday on the International Criminal Court’s (ICC) extradition request for activist Walter Barasa. The Hague-based court accuses him of interfering with witnesses. Barasa denies the accusation as without merit.
“I’m comfortable, because I deny allegations leveled against me, and much of it my lawyer has it and will [introduce] it in due course,” said Barasa.
The ICC issued an arrest warrant against Barasa, but he challenged the extradition order in a Kenyan court.
Barasa’s defense attorney Kibe Mungai accused the ICC of undermining the country’s constitution. He says, for example, his case should be tried in Kenyan courts, and also that the ICC move violates his constitutional rights to see evidence against him. The Kenyan Office of the Prosecutor says he can only see the information if he cooperates with the international court.
“Mr. Barasa wants the court to declare that the government of Kenya cannot oblige the request by the ICC,” said Mungai. “If he succeeds, that is the end of the story. If he also succeeds on the other part that the trial should be in Kenya, then the issue of warrant comes to an end. If he does not succeed then he may be surrendered in due cause to the ICC.”
Mungai says if the court upholds Kenya’s constitution, his client would not be subjected to extradition or to arrest by the ICC. He said both the ICC and Kenya erred in issuing a warrant for Barasa.
“Our chances are good,” said Mungai. “The ICC has been acting illegally in this matter and the state [Kenya] has misinterpreted the law in issuing the request for surrender.”
The ICC accused Barasa of bribing witnesses in the trial of Kenya’s deputy President William Ruto. The court accuses Mr. Ruto and President Uhuru Kenyatta of playing a key role in the country’s 2007-2008 post-election violence that left about 1,300 people dead and tens of thousands internally displaced. Barasa denies the ICC charges.
Defense attorney Mungai says the ICC’s arrest warrant against Barasa flouts Kenya’s constitution.
“Under the laws of Kenya to implement the Rome Statute [establishing the court], the trial for those offenses is supposed to be in Kenya and even after issuing the warrant and knowing that Kenya is a signatory state, they tried to arrest Mr. Barasa unlawfully,” said Mungai. “All these issues will be raised in the Kenyan court [Friday and] I am confident that we shall succeed.”
In a related matter, the Kenyan Daily Nation newspaper quotes the ICC coordinator for Kenya and Uganda, as saying that Kenya could try Barasa if the country’s courts are equipped to handle the case.
“I’m comfortable, because I deny allegations leveled against me, and much of it my lawyer has it and will [introduce] it in due course,” said Barasa.
The ICC issued an arrest warrant against Barasa, but he challenged the extradition order in a Kenyan court.
Barasa’s defense attorney Kibe Mungai accused the ICC of undermining the country’s constitution. He says, for example, his case should be tried in Kenyan courts, and also that the ICC move violates his constitutional rights to see evidence against him. The Kenyan Office of the Prosecutor says he can only see the information if he cooperates with the international court.
“Mr. Barasa wants the court to declare that the government of Kenya cannot oblige the request by the ICC,” said Mungai. “If he succeeds, that is the end of the story. If he also succeeds on the other part that the trial should be in Kenya, then the issue of warrant comes to an end. If he does not succeed then he may be surrendered in due cause to the ICC.”
Mungai says if the court upholds Kenya’s constitution, his client would not be subjected to extradition or to arrest by the ICC. He said both the ICC and Kenya erred in issuing a warrant for Barasa.
“Our chances are good,” said Mungai. “The ICC has been acting illegally in this matter and the state [Kenya] has misinterpreted the law in issuing the request for surrender.”
The ICC accused Barasa of bribing witnesses in the trial of Kenya’s deputy President William Ruto. The court accuses Mr. Ruto and President Uhuru Kenyatta of playing a key role in the country’s 2007-2008 post-election violence that left about 1,300 people dead and tens of thousands internally displaced. Barasa denies the ICC charges.
Defense attorney Mungai says the ICC’s arrest warrant against Barasa flouts Kenya’s constitution.
“Under the laws of Kenya to implement the Rome Statute [establishing the court], the trial for those offenses is supposed to be in Kenya and even after issuing the warrant and knowing that Kenya is a signatory state, they tried to arrest Mr. Barasa unlawfully,” said Mungai. “All these issues will be raised in the Kenyan court [Friday and] I am confident that we shall succeed.”
In a related matter, the Kenyan Daily Nation newspaper quotes the ICC coordinator for Kenya and Uganda, as saying that Kenya could try Barasa if the country’s courts are equipped to handle the case.
Clottey interview with Kibe Mungai, defense attorney
Wednesday, 09 October 2013 08:18
Barasa Fights His Extradition To The Hague
Journalist Walter Barasa is on Wednesday expected to formally file an application challenging his arrest and subsequent extradition to The Hague.
Barasa’s lawyer Kibe Mungai is expected to file the case before a High Court Judge.
The journalist who is wanted by ICC over alleged witness interference says that he deserves a fair trial in the country.
He says that being extradited to The Hague to face charges would infringe on his rights protected by the constitution.
The Kenyan government has already handed over warrant of arrest documents regarding Barasa to the Judiciary, according to Internal Security Cabinet Secretary Joseph Ole Lenku.
While briefing the press, Ole Lenku said it was now upon the Judiciary to give orders regarding the issue.
Once the documents are handed over to the Judiciary, a Judge would consider the application as well as listen to the submissions from the wanted journalist.
If the Judge proves there is a valid case and that the rights of the accused have not been violated, he or she can grant permission for the journalist to be arrested and handed over to the ICC.
By Daniel Korir
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Barasa’s lawyer Kibe Mungai is expected to file the case before a High Court Judge.
The journalist who is wanted by ICC over alleged witness interference says that he deserves a fair trial in the country.
He says that being extradited to The Hague to face charges would infringe on his rights protected by the constitution.
The Kenyan government has already handed over warrant of arrest documents regarding Barasa to the Judiciary, according to Internal Security Cabinet Secretary Joseph Ole Lenku.
While briefing the press, Ole Lenku said it was now upon the Judiciary to give orders regarding the issue.
Once the documents are handed over to the Judiciary, a Judge would consider the application as well as listen to the submissions from the wanted journalist.
If the Judge proves there is a valid case and that the rights of the accused have not been violated, he or she can grant permission for the journalist to be arrested and handed over to the ICC.
By Daniel Korir
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Unmasking Westgate: How terrorist attack was executed
Updated Friday, October 18th 2013 at
22:34 GMT +3
By NYAMBEGA GISESA
A treasure trove of hours and hours of never before seen CCTV footage
and interviews with impeccable security sources have revealed for the first time
new details on how the Westgate attack
unfolded and the identity of the four men caught on camera killing shoppers.
Investigative writer Nyambega Gisesa has spent hours analysing the footage and
talking to sources privy to information on the Westgate terror
attack. And for the first time, The Standard on Saturday provides a
chronological order to how the attack was executed and how Kenya security forces
responded to the terrorist attack that claimed close to 70 lives.
A silver Mitsubishi sedan number plate KAS 575X inched casually towards
the entrance to Westgate
Shopping Mall using Peponi Road.
The day: Saturday September 21.
Time: 12:26pm
Weather: clear sky, occasional intermittent clouds
Inside the vehicle were four men, Abu Baraa Al Sudani, Khatab Alakene aka
Khadhab, Umir Al Mogadish and Omar Abdulrahman Nabhan.
Al Sudani: He is a Sudanese national and the presumed attackers leader.
Al Sudani is a man with a cheeky smile who killed as he beamed a wry smile. He
is a man of mischievous character who loved to flaunt the one finger obscene
gesture salute while dressed in black.
Khadhab: who was once illegally a victim of rendition by the CIA to
Somalia from a bookshop where he worked in Nairobi’s Eastleigh Sixth Street.
Extraordinary rendition or irregular rendition is the apprehension and
extrajudicial transfer of a person from one country to another against his
will.
During the United States war on terror under the Bush administration, the
term became infamous with US practices of abducting and transferring terrorism
suspects to countries known to employ torture, for the purpose of interrogation.
Khadhab had spent considerable time refining his clandestine skills at the
terrorist training camps of the Al Qaeda militant group.
Omar Abdulrahman Nabhan: He is a Kenyan who is a nephew to
Swaleh Nabhan the associate of East Africa Al Qaeda terror mastermind Harun
Fazul. The presumed leader of Al-Qaeda in East Africa, Fazul was killed in
Mogadishu in June 2011.
Alakene and Mogadish were both Somali nationals of US extraction. Both
were born in Somalia, but were also naturalised US citizens.
The experiences of these men were about to pay off in one of
the most ambitious and highly choreographed strike to date on Kenyan
soil.
The iconic Westgate Mall
was the centerpiece of their plan. The mall insured through UK’s Lloyd’s for
about Sh6.6 billion, was constructed several walls thick with the ability to
withstand heavy bombardment.
Four days after the attack, the mall stood only shaken with a
few cracks even after facing an anti-tank weapon
After studying exclusive footage unseen before, interviewing various
witnesses and getting access to confidential information at the heart of the
investigations, Standard On Saturday brings you the first true account, which in
itself contradicts almost everything that the Government has been telling the
public.
We unveil facts behind the
Westgate siege
from the moment the terrorists planned the attack, when the first security
personnel arrived for a rescue meeting, when soldiers shot dead a police officer
to the moment the Government scrambled and started disseminating contradicting
statements.
And finally, why you will probably find it hard to get a believable and
accurate Government official account of what really transpired those four days
in September. In the recent past, Kenya’s spy agency the National Intelligence
Service (NIS) had issued various situational reports on possible terror attacks
in the country.
Although the report
mentioned a dozen names of potential terrorists and terror sympathizers, it did
not have the names of the four men in the silver Mitsubishi sedan car. This, not
surprisingly, was not the only security lapse before the attack.
Lodged in Eastleigh
Our story begins in the dusty streets of little Mogadishu,
Eastleigh. Months before the attack, the attackers were able to obtain the map
of the Westgate Mall building.
According to details in a report leaked to the Standard On Standard from
the team of investigators, the attackers identified a place so ideal for their
operation that even if you located them, extraction would be a difficult task to
undertake- Eastleigh’s 6th and 3rd streets.
“The planning may have been
conducted at Evermay Lodge or used for preparation and storage place,” an
investigators report reads. “Possible accommodation area Eastleigh 6th street,
known to have lodges associated with 6th street mosque.”
According to the report, “Evermay Lodge and Solar Lodge (were)
most likely areas for meetings.” It’s believed that it’s from these places where
the terrorists outlined their mission, using videos, photos and
maps.
“The holder (Al Sudani) conducted confirmatory reconnaissance and final
coordination,” the Intelligence brief reads. Other than Al Sudani, the choice of
an operation base in Eastleigh also placed the Kenyan Alakene, the attacker who
gave a child a chocolate bar after the young boy told him that “he is a very bad
man” and who is captured by CCTV cameras escorting children out of the
mall.
Beyond these bizarre acts of compassion, investigators believe he was one
of the key men plotting the attacks. Three weeks ago, we visited Eastleigh in
search of the family and friends of Alakene. For two days, no one identified
himself as either a friend or member of the family of the man popularly known as
Khadhab. At last, a journalist who used to practice in the area told us that
Khadhab used to work in an Islamic bookshop in 6th Street Eastleigh before he
was arrested and spirited away to a prison in Somalia, where it is alleged the
CIA tortured him while in custody. After being released, he is said to have
travelled back Kenya and then returned to Somalia and joined the terror group
Al-Shabaab.
As the plot took shape, spy agencies and counterterrorism
officials warned about threats in various places including malls. However,
connecting the dots proved a big challenge to security agencies that last dealt
with a terror attack in 1998 and 2002.
They were only depending on bits and pieces of information and
they never knew the men behind or the hour when terrorists would strike.
Evidently, the attackers were several steps ahead in the game. Whereas the
anti-terror officers kept on monitoring the family of Sheikh Aboud Rogo and his
associates who have kept on denying that they are linked to terrorism, the
Westgate terror plot was developing fast far away
in Somalia and in the Kakuma refugee camp, established in 1992 to serve Sudanese
refugees.
Kakuma safe
In the recent past, the Dadaab refugee camp that is reputed to
be the biggest refugee camp in the world has become a haven for terror attacks.
Last year alone, the refugee camp was attacked over 10 times by terrorists who
sneaked into the country through the porous border between Garissa County and
southern Somalia.
When in 2009, Sudanese refugees began moving back to their
country in anticipation of the referendum that eventually resulted in the
division of the country to two, Sudan and South Sudan, the Kenya Government saw
a window of opportunity to reduce the bulging population of Dadaab by moving
refugees from Dadaab to Kakuma.Security agencies put all their efforts in
securing Dadaab and guarding the fragile border between Somalia and Kenya so as
to stop terrorists from accessing Dadaab or other parts of the country.
Information availed to us points out that knowing where the government’s focus
was to be glued, the terrorists slipped into the country from Southern Sudan,
entered Kakuma before travelling all the way down to Nairobi.
Once in Nairobi, they stayed under the radar for months until
they resurfaced when their linkman Abdikadir Haret Mohamed visited a bank within
the CBD.
Two weeks before the Westgate horror, on the evening of September 6, a
CCTV camera positioned at the entrance to the
Queensay House branch of Barclays bank on Mama Ngina Street picked out Abdikadir
Haret Mohamed alias Muhammed Hussein entering the bank. During a press briefing,
the Inspector General of Police David Kimaiyo described Abdikadir as “light
skinned and about 5.8ft tall, speaks fluent Kiswahili and Sheng and is believed
to be a Kenyan from Marehan clan in Mandera.”
He was also in the company of another suspect identified as Adan Dheq,
aka Hussein Abdi Ali, a.k.a Abdulahi Dugon Subow who the police have said speaks
in broken Kiswahili.
Visit to the bank
On that particular day, Abdikadir was visiting the bank to
withdraw cash to buy a car, a vital piece for investigators. According to
investigators, Abdikadir made a cash exchange of between US$4,000 and US$5,000.
With the cash, both Ali and Abdikadir on various times made calls from their
mobile phones to Elvis Weulo of Buruburu, a car owner who was willing to sell
his car registration number KAS 575X.
It’s in in this Mitsubishi saloon car that police found four
SIM cards.
It ferried the attackers to Westgate. Investigators have revealed to The
Standard On Saturday that all the SIM cards were found to have been activated on
September 18 in Eastleigh. Intelligence officers frantically checked the SIM
cards looking for details on records to reveal calls made and who shared the
same phone through employing IMEI numbers, a unique phone number for every
mobile phone handset. The IMEI can be used to track a stolen or missing phone
and provide information on calls made from that number.
Wednesday, October 16, 2013
The third witness in the case against Deputy President William Ruto told
the International Criminal Court that high ranking officials in government and
PNU had plotted to incriminate Ruto for the violence in the north rift whether
he was responsible or not. The defence further read out the names of 8 people
including former Justice minister Martha Karua and then permanent secretary in
the ministry of Internal Security Mutea Iringo alleged to have been working for
the PNU to gather evidence on the post election violence which they are said to
have presented to the Waki Commission.
Ruto alleges PNU officials’ plot to fix him
By Walter Menya
Deputy President William Ruto on Wednesday accused the inner
core of former President Kibaki of seeking out witnesses in his case at the
ICC.
The plan, his lawyer said, was to fix Mr Ruto as the sponsor
of the violence that erupted after the 2007/08 General
Election.
Defence counsel Shyamala Alagendra told the court that the
plan was carried out by senior officials in the Kibaki administration, lawyers
sympathetic to PNU, some of whom, he said, even offered cash and protection to
witnesses who would testify against Mr Ruto.
Ms Alagendra listed those in the plan as former Gichugu MP
Martha Karua, who was at the time the Justice minister, Mr Mutea Iringo, then
the Deputy Permanent Secretary for Internal Security and Ms Nancy Gitau, who was
President Kibaki’s political affairs director.
The defence said Mr Iringo oversaw a witness protection
scheme, which also disbursed cash to those who would testify against Mr Ruto
during the Waki Commission hearings.
PNU, Ms Alagendra said, used lawyers Kamotho Waiganjo,
currently a member of the Commission for the Implementation of the Constitution
(CIC), Mr Njenga Mwangi, Mr Peter Maundu and Mr George Morara, who was in the
Vijana na Kibaki lobby group that also included Mr Joseph Njoroge, Mr Evans Gor
Semelang’o, Mr Jack Wamboka and Mr Thomas Mbewa.
This group of lawyers, the defence proposed and the witness
confirmed, were “associated in some way with PNU” and went to Eldoret in advance
of the Waki Commission to procure witnesses who would testify against Mr Ruto.
The Waki Commission was in Eldoret between August 5 and 6,
2008.
“What was happening at the time was that ODM was eager to show
that PNU had rigged the elections,” Ms Alagendra said.
But on the other hand, she said, PNU wanted to demonstrate
that ODM was behind the violence that rocked the country.
“In order to demonstrate that ODM was behind the violence they
put together a group of people who would assist them locate witnesses to say ODM
was the cause. There was a group of people who came to Eldoret. The group was
made up of PNU and government officials. PNU was trying to gather evidence that
it is ODM that caused the violence,” Ms Alagendra posed to the witness, who
declined the proposition.
According to the defence, the lawyers and government officials
who were identifying witnesses to present to the Waki Commission were assisted
by former Cabinet minister Stephen Tarus, Ms Karua, Mr Abraham Limo, Mr Iringo,
a Mr Bethwell Ruto and a Mr William Rono.
The defence said the witnesses PNU identified were taken to a
witness protection programme which was under Mr Iringo.
Defence: Did you hear that the aim of some PNU officials was
to blame William Ruto for the violence?
Witness: Yes.
Defence: Regardless of the truth, madam witness?
Witness: Yes.
Defence: Even though he had nothing to do with
it?
Witness: Yes
The defence was cross-examining Witness 189 for the second day
yesterday. She is the third prosecution witness since the trials of Mr Ruto and
Mr Joshua arap Sang started on September 10.
The defence also sought to dismantle the prosecution’s theory
that it was only Kalenjin youths who were armed with bows and arrows.
The defence played a video clip of Mr Ruto, former ODM treasurer Omingo
Magara and Mr Chris Bichage arriving in a helicopter at Wilson Airport after
they were attacked and seriously injured in Nyamarambe, Kisii.
The Nyamarambe incident was dubbed a fundraising meeting which was
attended by former minister and Nyaribari Chache MP Simeon Nyachae and Ford
People’s Henry Obwocha who the defence said had instigated the violence meted
out against the then ODM leaders.
The defence said the Nyamarambe incident was a clear demonstration that
not only PNU campaigners had been attacked but also ODM
campaigners.
It also sought to demonstrate to the court that both PNU and ODM had
supporters from all the ethnic groups.
According to Ms Alagendra, the Kibaki Tena lobby group was chaired by Mr
Lee Karuri while other officials were Agricultural Finance Corporation boss
William Kirwa, Mr John Kipkorir Too, who was in the PNU presidential elections
board and coordinated campaigns in the North Rift and Mr Ken Nzioka, who was the
PNU director of elections.
Defence: Am I correct to say PNU was reaching out for the vote of every
Kenyan?
Witness: Yes.
Defence: PNU wanted the Luhya, Kalenjin, Kisii, Luo votes. Am I
right?
Witness: Yes.
Defence: ODM too wanted all the votes?
Witness: Yes.
Defence: That ODM wanted to portray itself as the party of all
ethnicities?
Witness: Yes.
Defence: You will agree with me that there were other prominent Kikuyus
in ODM?
Witness: Yes.
Defence: Am I right to say that in 2007 it wasn’t unusual for an
individual to support (President) Kibaki and at the same time support Raila
(Odinga)?
Witness: Yes.
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