Good People,

Foreign Contract to Chinese Government to Stop Poaching is another way to spread Chinese Policing into the village country-side to hijack (take-over) Kenya and deny Kenyan Youths Jobs. It is another way to directly control over Kenya and the Great Lakes of East Africa. It is a system applied for quite transitioning of Uhuru-Ruto Administration handing-over power to Chinese Government to Rule and take Kenya by storm, in the process of DECOLONIZATION; which is going the Mozambique style and it must be stopped instantaneously.

Kenya with the rest of Great Lakes of East Africa are a Democratic Nation and No amount of invasion will be accepted as long as the International and UN Treaty have not been revoked. This calls for an urgent investigation of the World Bank, IMF and United Nations’ Secretary General Ban-Ki-moon by the FBI for fueling Corruption and Impunity through being part of this great conspiracy trigger. It is because, the manner at which they recommended funding for AIDs Funding to remove poverty, provide health-care, provide security, initiate job opportunities and Education in the Great Lakes of East Africa is questionable and suspicious. They instead purposely fueled extreme corruption and impunity in the Greater Region of East Africa.

Funds have been channeled through corrupt means with unclear Agreements in Partnership with the operating International NGOs on the ground who work along the Government side, where they don’t seem to transmit those funding directly to do what they were initiated for. Consequently, there are no follow-ups to determine positive effectiveness where if there is no good results from those funding, what immediate action were taken to avoid its failure???……… It was then found that, drivers of the funding disbursement have instead created and financed take-over of East Africa which is why, Migingo and Goma was taken with annexing of Port of Kismayu. We found that, the insecurity is spreading fast with fueling of thuggery, proliferation of Arms through Kismayu, Migingo and Lake Victoria. This is zeroed-in with active participation and funding of Rebel Groups thus:

Al-Qaeda, Al-shabaab, Mungiki, Pirating, drug peddling with foreign exchange money trafficking, Child Prostitution and trafficking; with more problems to include environmental pollutions, sicknesses, careless killings, forceful Land Grabbing and theft………Therefore, all these numerous accounts of injustices are unacceptable and justice must prevail……..They are all as a result of funds being channeled the wrong way without transparency and accountability, through Foreign NGOs on the Ground supposed to be providing AIDs to the Great Lakes of Africa to remove poverty, sickness and provide security and education.

Having realized that these NGOs are not doing much fast enough to aid quick killings and take-over, the UN Agencies with the Corrupt African Leaders with their network of the International Corporate Special Business Interest resolved to forcefully take-over Great Lakes of East Africa through Chinese Private Army in Kenya that was sensored by Kalonzo Musyoka and supervised by Raila and Kibaki in the Coalition Government.

This is the unfinished business Raila, Kagame with Museveni are fighting for while their paymasters standing akimbo watching them to fulfill their mission urgently……….and which is why, there is this struggle between Raila and Uhuru Government and why Museveni is the Chairman and Kagame the Secretary in this Great Lakes of East Africa who are both entrusted with the mission by heir pay masters who are the International Corporate of Special Business Interest in the Great Region of East Africa.

This is not right, it is not fair and it is not morally justified. It is a serious crime against humanity and it cannot be left to happen that way.

Therefore, Contracting Poaching Unit by Chinese must be stopped, it is not economical viable for Kenya or to any other Sovereign Nationality of Africa. It will be the beginning of World War and, Kenya with the Great Lakes of East Africa will be the battle-ground.

PETITIONING OVER CONCERNS:

These concerns must not be taken lightly by the International Community Leaders; as they provide fodder for the Third World War meant to wipe out Africans from Africa like what happened to Mozambique. It is immorally unjust to kill Africans and replace them with Chinese. It is all along known in world records that Chinese Government is the worst in Human Rights Crime, Violation and Abuse records including environment pollution. They must not be left to destroy Kenya with the rest of East Africa. I therefore petition US President Obama to lead good leaders Allys of USA to save a situation in Kenya with the rest of Great Lakes of East Africa.

Africa needs sustainable functioning development Agenda and not those of wiping out Africans through Chinese Private Army that are posing as policing poacher………..This is not what they are going for………they are going for human beings…….which is why Raila is calling the Youth Lizards (Raila led the onslaught comparing Obura to a lizard. He said according to a Nigerian parable, there was a lizard that craved recognititon. He said the lizard climbed a tree hoping people would see him). That in their cry for justified demands as per public mandate, the Youth have no rights........They are going to exterminate human beings not Lizards in reality, and more or so, they are more interested in poaching themselves that to protect and save ……. They are interested in the big money not to preserve Africas interest………..

Wake up people, wake up and join forces to reject this mission in totallity………Let the world help to save Africans, let Africans not perish in the hands of these selfish and greedy businessmen !!!

Extremely very sad indeed.........but the Truth with Justice ill set us all free..........and Peace and Liberty in pursuit for Hapiness shall prevail............

May God Protect and Bless Africa with its people !!!

Judy Miriga
Diaspora Spokesperson
Executive Director
Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc.,
USA http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com

China to help fund anti-poaching war

PHOTO | COURTESY Kenya Wildlife Service rangers on patrol. China has pledged to fund Kenya’s efforts to curb wildlife poaching. NATION MEDIA GROUP | KWS

By NATION REPORTER
Posted Friday, August 9 2013 at 23:30

China has pledged to fund Kenya’s efforts to curb wildlife poaching.

Speaking at a meeting with the Cabinet Secretary for Environment, Water and Natural Resources, Prof Judi Wakhungu, Chinese ambassador to Kenya Liu Guangyuan said his country would give Kenya a grant, which he did not specify, to protect the elephant, rhino and other endangered species.

The pledge comes in the wake of renewed efforts by the Kenyan authorities to totally eradicate poaching.

The government has already formed a special unit to fight the menace, with China, the United States and UK among the countries funding it.

Last week, First Lady Margaret Kenyatta launched the “Hands off Elephants” campaign to spearhead the protection of elephants.

Speaking during the meeting with Prof Wakhungu, the Chinese envoy urged Kenya to strengthen wildlife conservation measures and severely punish poachers.

China’s anti-poaching laws are some of the most stringent in the world, with offenders often getting life imprisonment.

Expressing Kenya’s wish to join hands with other nations in combating illegal ivory and rhino horn trade, Prof Wakhungu praised China for its consistent measures and actions towards the enforcement of wildlife conservation laws.

The Kenya Wildlife Service says Kenya lost 384 elephants and 29 rhino to poachers last year alone. This year, 190 elephants and 34 rhinos have been killed.

Last month, a huge consignment of ivory was impounded in Mombasa.

The ivory, weighing 3.3 metric tonnes and valued at Sh65 million, was concealed in gunny sacks and declared as groundnuts bound for Malaysia.

The consignment comprised 382 whole pieces and 62 cut pieces of ivory.

The seizure came barely two months after customs officials in the United Arab Emirates seized 259 pieces of ivory shipped from Mombasa.

Ministry urges MPs to prioritise Wildlife Bill

Environment Principal Secretary Richard Lesiyampe flags off one of the vehicles that will be used by Inter Security Agency Anti-Poaching Unit at KWS headquarters in Nairobi August 8, 2013. The Ministry urged MPs to move with speed and pass the Wildlife Bill that seeks to tighten penalties for poachers. ANTHONY OMUYA

By JEREMIAH KIPLANG’AT jkiplangat@ke.nationmedia.com
Posted Saturday, August 10 2013 at 09:57

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CORD leader Raila Odinga tells off

Kisumu Central MP Ken Obura over

leadership

Updated Friday, August 9th 2013 at 23:19 GMT +3

By RUSHDIE OUDIA

KENYA: CORD leader Raila Odinga has told off the young Turks over their plans to take over leadership in ODM.

The former PM alongside other CORD leaders, who spoke during the homecoming for Kisumu County Assembly majority leader, Samuel Ong’ou, aimed their blows at Kisumu Central MP Ken Obura who had showed his interest in the ODM Secretary General’s post.

Obura’s onslaught was brought forth using parables and straight attacks.

Raila led the onslaught comparing Obura to a lizard. He said according to a Nigerian parable, there was a lizard that craved recognititon. He said the lizard climbed a tree hoping people would see him.

“You can be old in body but young in mind and similarly you can be old in mind and young in body,” said Raila, advising the young leaders.

Funyula MP Paul Otuoma said Obura was like a young bull trying to overthrow the oldest bull in the house.

Machakos Senator Johnstone Muthama also dismissed the young leaders.

“Obura does not know what he is saying and he should stop all these theatrics,” said Muthama, adding that Raila wants unity yet some people are set to destabilise ODM.

National Assembly Deputy Chief Whip, Jakoyo Midiwo told Obura to respect the older leaders.

Homa Bay Senator Otieno Kajwang’ said ODMis like a church and there is no way a small priest could sit on the bishop’s seat simply because he is old.

Fears over new split as ODM bigwigs

cling on ‘one-man’

Updated Friday, August 9th 2013 at 23:50 GMT +3

Former Prime Minister Raila Odinga and Dogeretti North MP Simba Arati (LEFT) are welcomed by ODM supporters in Dagoretti for presentation of bursaries in the constituency. [PHOTO: FILE]

By JUMA KWAYERA

KENYA: A fresh storm is simmering in the Orange Democratic Movement after the party’s top hierarchy failed to provide a definite roadmap to the eagerly anticipated National Delegates Convention.

The meeting is expected to result in radical decisions about the future of the party following a push from the rank and file for change at the top. ODM MPs demanded party leader Raila Odinga to cut lose certain officials at a meeting in Nairobi on Wednesday.

So sensitive is the issue that some of the party officials contacted either flatly declined to comment or referred all questions to newly appointed executive director Joseph Magerer Lang’at, himself facing a revolt as some members question his appointment.

At least 10 MPs are contemplating ‘technically’ defecting from ODM to underline their unhappiness. Former Roads Minister Franklin Bett says the party faces serious integrity questions in the manner it handles its affairs. In a tell-all interview with The Standard on Saturday, Bett took a swipe at the opacity in party operations that excludes majority of its members.

“I am aware they have tried to set meetings after the last Parliamentary Group meeting in June,” says Bett, who was in charge of the party’s presidential election team. “However, meeting and sharing with members is critical to the survival of this party. A clique around the party leader makes decisions. If a party avoids its members, it is doomed to fail. If they cannot find a way of accommodating all members, then the party risks being a one-man show.”

The brickbat that was clearly aimed at the party’s top brass left no doubt he shares the sentiments and frustrations younger MPs and senators have been expressing.

Jubilee is reportedly preparing a war chest to pounce on the dissenters. There have been reports of an effort to woo Western Kenya among other areas.

The latest developments represent the many twists and turns ODM has had to navigate to remain vibrant in the bicameral Parliament, despite its relatively weaker numerical strength. Some of the MPs met Raila on Wednesday evening during which they were categorical the bad eggs have to be dispensed with soon or the party risks another mass exodus as witnessed in the countdown to the March elections.

Kakamega meeting

The meeting was an attempt by Raila to calm the storm that has been building up involving mainly first-time MPs who have been calling for radical surgery to rid the party of senior officials they accuse of being responsible for the debacle suffered in the elections. The former PM’s responses to specific questions allegedly left some “frustrated”.

Raila, party secretary-general, treasurer and minority leader come from the same community, a reality those calling for disaggregation of seats to reflect the face of Kenya want changed.

The frustration of MPs from ODM political base in Nyanza coincides with a planned meeting in Kakamega this weekend to be addressed by, among others, former National Assembly Speaker Kenneth Marende. Marende is positioning himself for chairmanship.

The realignment takes place against a backdrop of reports that pressure is piling on Public Accounts Committee (PAC) chair Ababu Namwamba and Funyula MP Paul Otuoma “to work with” the Jubilee government. Namwamba would not respond to our phone calls or text messages.

Hot topic

One of the MPs who attended the 5-9pm “dinner” meeting told The Standard on Saturday that the former PM remained vague on when the party would hold elections to rejuvenate it. The MP says it is unlikely the much-talked about polls will take place this year, as it had become hot topic that would split the party further.

The Serena Hotel dinner talks were attended by Millie Odhiambo (Mbita), Opondo Kaluma (Homa Bay), David Ochieng’ (Ugenya), Ken Obura (Kisumu Central), Jared Opiyo (Awendo), Ken Okoth (Kibra), Sylvance Osele (Kabondo Kasipul) and George Oner Ogalo (Rangwe).

We have also learned that some MPs at the meeting said a senior official in Deputy President William Ruto’s office has been tasked with recruitment of disgruntled MPs from Nyanza and Western.

Kisumu Central MP Ken Obura referred to the meeting as routine “coffee meeting” with the party leader. “There is nothing extra-ordinary. We always meet with party leader for tea,” Mr Obura explained. The first-time MP, however, acknowledged the need to rebuild and re-brand the party.

“The National Governing Council will meet soon to set a date for elections. Once the NGC sets a date for a National Delegates Convention, we shall have enough reasons to speak on the direction we want the party to take,” he says.

Another first time MP from South Nyanza, who requested anonymity, says the session at Serena was stormy, with the MPs insisting demagogues responsible for the chaotic primaries be kicked out.

In a text message after the meeting, the MP described as “hot” the debate on the role played by chairman Henry Kosgey, Secretary-General Anyang Nyong’o, Eliud Owalo and Deputy National Assembly Minority Leader Jakoyo Midiwo in the March 4 elections.

The MPs questioned the recruitment of Magerer. The latter could not be reached by phone. Leaders from the former Western Province are pushing for either chairmanship or secretary-general’s post. Coast too is eying one of the positions, which are currently held by Kosgey and Nyong’o.

Other than Marende, Otuoma is said to be interested in Kosgey’s post while Namwamba and party assistant executive director Nabii Namwera are lining up to replace Nyong’o. Some MPs from Western are accused of either not propagating their party’s agenda or are quietly “working” with Jubilee.

10/03/08

03:32:29 pm, by nazret.com, 220 words
Categories: Ethiopia, Somalia

Should Ethiopia annex Somalia?

File Photo: Ethiopian Troops in Somalia

Should Ethiopia annex Somalia?
Writer Donald Kipkorir argues it is time for Ethiopia and Kenya to annex Somalia, in an opinion piece published in Kenya's, The Daily Nation, titled, "Why Kenya and Ethiopia ought to annex and divide Somalia".
Described by the Economist magazine as 'The world's most utterly failed state', Somalia is a lawless state with no functioning central government since 1991. The writer argues the country is a 'haven for terrorists and pirates'. He goes on to say,

"Annexing Somalia is thus in our strategic interest and we must do it now as the financial meltdown continues to take away the attention of the world.
Somalia as a state exists only in world maps. It is a classic case of a failed state. It is a state dismembered into as many independent units as there are sub-clans. Its 90-strong cabinet is emblematic of the actual number of units. Somalia neighbours Kenya, Ethiopia and Djibouti. Of these, it is only Ethiopia and Kenya that have strategic interest in Somalia. Kenya and Ethiopia must and ought to dismember Somalia and divide it between themselves along the 4 degrees latitude, each taking all the land below and above the line."

You can read the full article from Kenya's Daily Nation.
Should Ethiopia annex Somalia? Have Your Say

168 comments

Comment from: tola [Visitor]

I think that was the plan all along i say Hell yea we should take over Somaliland and Puntland and give the rest of Somalia to Kenya and also take Eritrea back and have Djibouti join us

10/03/08 @ 15:49

Comment from: KOKEB [Visitor]

ETHIOPIA never annex somalia. It is a dirty trick of MELATAW ZOMBIE and the TPLF TEGRE morans for all this un-wanted war.

Long live the people of ETHIOPIA & SOMALIA!

DEATH to MELESE and HIS bloodY family SHABIA!

10/03/08 @ 15:49

Comment from: dereje [Visitor]

it is sad the Somalis can't put their house in order, relatively speaking. but Ethiopia never took other people's land in its history and should keep it that way.

10/03/08 @ 15:53

Comment from: Emperor Menelik II [Visitor]

Perfect discussion :!:

We have to do this! Somaliland and Puntland join Ethiopia. The southern Somalians (Mogadishu)are the Shertam' Somali dirt bag illiterate donkeys, they must join Kenya.

10/03/08 @ 15:53

Comment from: Ogadenian [Visitor]

Ethiopia is not even capable of feeding itself let alone annex Somalia. Ethiopia is in Somalia with the help of Christian Nations who have a deep hatred for all Somali Muslims,beside with all the finance,weapon,air and sea support for those Christians nations still it can not control one single city.

For goodness sake lets fight each other one to one,i meant Ethiopia against Somalia only no outside help and i swear to you Ethiopia will not last a week with us Somalis.

Its always Russian,Cuban,British, etc
Who are fighting against Somalian in the name of Ethiopians,that is why we are saying this is not fair.

10/03/08 @ 15:57

Comment from: berta [Visitor]

Not annex but it is a good strategy to temporarily split Somalia in to at least pieces. one ruled by Kenya plus AU and UN, the next piece ruled by Ethiopia plus AU and UN the other piece Puntland/Djibuti plus AU and UN.

10/03/08 @ 16:11

Comment from: Tesfaye [Visitor]

We have to be realistic. Somaliland & Puntland can join Ethiopia. Djoubiti & Eritrea should be given back to Ethiopia. Then we can build our country. We can mobilise our human and material resources to the maximum. This time we have to be serious about our internal enemies. They should be hunted and eliminated. Ethiopia needs a true national leader. Those leaders who have no respect for history are either insane or agents of foreign powers. ThEY HAVE TO BE DEALT WITH.

The case of Eritrea should be also resolved. Muslim Eritrea can be given to Sudan and the christian areas including Massawa should be given to Ethiopia. This is the way to deal with people who are bandas and messeners of destruction. The eritreans are mercenaries, slaves who been waging a war of detruction by proxy.

10/03/08 @ 16:26

Comment from: kirkiri [Visitor]

Kenya and Ethiopia don't have the capacity to annex Somalia.
Somalia is closer to annexing both countries.

The Islamic courts union/al shabab hold more territory today than when Ethiopia cowardly thought it could do something about Somalia.
20,000 Ethiopian soldiers are dead and the Somali fighters not reached their full potential. Kenya is far weaker than Ethiopia.

Dreams are so cheap. Every fool can dream.

10/03/08 @ 16:27

Comment from: Tenkir [Visitor]

This is such a stupid question for those of us Ethiopians who know Ethiopia is run by a sophisticated gov that gives away land and territory (viz Eritrea) to manage a small country effectively

In fact in a series of interviews I heard woyane officials complaining Ethiopia being too big to govern. So, please tell me how on earth will Ethiopia under the leadership of woyane would annex a land? Or are you asking a philosophical question suggesting since Somalia could be equated as a problem that the gov will not hesitate to bring anything negative to our side?

10/03/08 @ 16:28

Comment from: common sense [Visitor]

Sure it sounds an outlandish idea, but it's really not that crazy an idea.It's actually a win win situation for both Ethiopia and Somalia.If we look past European colonists era African tribes were just living side by side with out per say having a country of their own. It was mostly the English's policy of divide and concur that brought about all these African nations. In light of that,if we are to entertain the idea of joining part of Somalia with Ethiopia should be given serious consideration.However it has to be in a democratic fashion with something like a referendum.I'm sure a lot of Somalis would support living side by side with their Ethiopian brothers.

10/03/08 @ 16:29

Comment from: Death to Weyanes [Visitor]

This is just stupid question? First let's give Oromia and Ogaden their independence, they don't want be a part of Ethiopia, then we can talk the other dream you have.

10/03/08 @ 16:42

Comment from: Emperor Menelik II [Visitor]

Tesfaye =You say Muslim Eritrea (30%) should be given to Sudan and Christian Eritrea(70%) should be given to Ethiopia? Did you know Ethiopia has more Muslim population then Sudan does? Ethiopia is 55% Muslim... at the same time you want Massawa in Eritrea to be given to Ethiopia? Massawa is Muslim Afars who live there. You want Djibouti and Somaliand to join Ethiopia and they are 100% Muslim If this is going to work we can not let religion play in this at all. The only Christians in the region are the Amhara and Tigray. The rest are Muslims.

10/03/08 @ 16:44

Comment from: raee [Visitor]

Should Ethiopia annex Somalia? what a moron question? Ethiopia should start feeding, educating, providing health care etc... for its nation. Stop talking about Ethiopia as if it's some kind of a super power country. We have been begging for food every year God knows since when.

10/03/08 @ 16:54

Comment from: danieltekle [Visitor]

You guys are crazy.

If Haile Selasie's annexation of Eritrea in 1951 ended with a devastation in 1991, as Eritrea gained its independence, why in the world would some of you suggest it is a good idea to annex Somalia. It is not controversial to say Eritreans and Ethiopians (at least those who live on the highlands) have a great deal in common with one another. Yet 30 years of war ensued in spite of the commonality. You want to repeat history?

Moreover, Ethiopia was also listed as a part of the failed states of the world, does that mean Kenya should annex Ethiopia, NOT!!!
Let's clean our house before we judge other failed states.

10/03/08 @ 16:57

Comment from: Monkey [Visitor]

If Ethiopia commits to annexing Somalia and by doing so gives us an outlet to the ocean, I'll volunteer to fight anyone who tries to stop this great plan.

The guy who thought of this is a genius.

10/03/08 @ 17:02

Comment from: gimatam shabiya [Visitor]

Really excellent article i ever read in this web site.This the only way to remove terrorist from horn Africa and to help Somalian brothers. Some Shabiyas in this web site start to urinate in there trousers.

10/03/08 @ 17:03

Comment from: uwnet lemenager [Visitor]

that's dream which will not happen for ever because the Somalians are very energetic and a hero people. if their country were peace, they would have been control the horn of Africa by their military power,but their only enemy is a drug called "chat" or "mirah" if they avoid taking the above drug, they will be one of the strongest country in the region believe it or not.

10/03/08 @ 17:13

Comment from: Dr. Ashebir [Visitor]

Anyone who knows that even our brothers the Eritreans left us in a bloody war, would not be gullible enough to accept such seductive message. Let the Somalis keep their misfortune at a distance. Let's not inherit their misfortune, instead fight it from overflowing.

10/03/08 @ 17:14

Comment from: Thomas [Visitor]

KOKEB
Kokeb; your comments are always full of hate, but nothing else. Why? I don’t know. Here is my assumptions; I think You are one of the losers from this government. Or, you are one of Iss-Ass Dikala who wants the destruction of Ethiopia.
Just get a life and stay in your Artera’s (Asmera) affaire. Leave us Alone please. You are Full of hate. use your hate to build your useless Aretera with your father Iss-ass.

10/03/08 @ 17:22

Comment from: soma [Visitor]

SOMALIA IS AN INDEPENDENT NATION WHO ARE SHOWING THEIR STRENGTH BY DEFEATING US AND MELESE

We all should understand Somalia is an independent nation no body will annex them.

The people of Somalia are different they are different when it come to US and Ethiopia.

Even though they have big difference among themselves when it comes to enemy like Ethiopia and US they have shown their strength.

10/03/08 @ 17:23

Comment from: Ali roble [Visitor]

In this day and age,even a drunkard Negro like this scumbag has some crazy idea, of course it unlikely his pure imagination but just some copy-cuts of colonialists and his former white master, what do with Somalia.Is he got enough share from the spoils left British by annexing Somaliland area to Kenya? What about if Luo tribes and others that live in Uganda and Tanzania when hostility against Kukuyo erupts next time around? Does Tanzania and Uganda also have right to annex them. Where we gonna draw the line? Are we redraw all African borders again thereby opening Pandora's box?I think Ethiopia has enough problems of its own. Besides, its experience over Eritrea's Annexation in the past taught unforgettable lesson. In the meantime I think Somalis will sort out their differences if left alone to deal with it.

10/03/08 @ 17:30

Comment from: Yonas Bekele [Visitor]

Another dumb and unsustainable idea. Somalia is not just a vast land mass, it has actually people living there and they do not want to be part of Ethiopia or Kenya. And what does Ethiopia have to gain by annexing its neighbor, if not more violence and other problems? I think we should withdraw our guys and let Somalis resolve their own problems, even if that means an Islamist state taking root there. No one like that scenario but Ethiopia is paying dearly in term of lives and treasure to help a country that may be a failed state forever.

10/03/08 @ 17:37

Comment from: habeshawu [Visitor]

the best way to secure peace in east Africa is to secure our borders and leave the Somalians to solve their problems by themselves, and most importantly give the eritrean law land to Sudan and throw the hamaseins in the salty red sea and give the high land to Ethiopia.

10/03/08 @ 17:59

Comment from: M.T. [Visitor]

10/03/08 @ 18:05

Comment from: sintayehu [Visitor]

please so not run so fast to say something without thinking about them. Even though Ethiopia has strong army in Horn now we can not invade Somalia because that would be a shame for us.What are we trying to show let invade Somalia like the Europeans did in their time. Somalia people are love people and we have to respect that

O WE ETHIOPIANS LIKE IF ANY COUNTRY INVADE ETHIOPIA? ANSWER THAT AS THE FOR SOMALIA. But we are strong and we will be strong always.That is Ethiopia

10/03/08 @ 18:36

Comment from: Passerby [Visitor]

Honestly people! And nazret!!!!

This is the most stupidest idea let alone an idea for discussion...it suggests nazret thinks Ethiopians are that stupid? Now i wonder who owns this websites and on who side the owner is on politically.

1) Ethiopia during the 77 war won and could have annexed Somaliland but chose not to.

2) Ethiopia has under her rightful and patriotic rulers a history of hands-off lands that don't belong to us, we went after eritrea thinking we were brothers and that didn't workout as meles ceded all to his mothers side of the family.

3) every Ethiopian should be insulted by such questions cause Ethiopians don't have a real representative gov't that gives a darn about the people. When a rightful gov't that is representative of the people comes to power, the real land of Ethiopia should be up for discussion...asseb!

10/03/08 @ 18:43

Comment from: SPINX [Visitor]

Hello my Horn Africa people

Let me take you back to 1960-70,war between Somalia and Ethiopia,or allow me to say Between Somalia and Russia and Cuba,with out the direct help of the then Soviet-Union,back then,Ogaden-land which is legally Somalian land,would still be Somalian,History repeats it's self,Ethiopia never fought any war or battle alone by it's own,it's always been supported by the West,starting from Haile-Selassie and the British,then Megustu and Russia,Now Meles-USA,Dear Ethiopians,don't believe the hype Somalians never forgot their stolen land,OGADEN,and now you acually think to take over the whole Somalia,are you out of touch,or reality,or common sense,The USA,Ethiopia's #1,ally is no more a Super Power,it is collapsing,so Meles,please don't think over your head,first think about how if you can beat the AL-Shabad,warriors,that are really getting stronger as we speak.Meles please think positive,and get our of Somalian-KusH-Land.HAPPY-EID,Brothers/Sisters

10/03/08 @ 19:01

Comment from: mercato [Visitor]

The nonsense idea of the century I have no word to express we have lost Djibouti ,Eritrea and part of Gondar I believe this is not our government plan!
To an wise commentator
Religions issue is like playing with fire it is not good for Christians based on east Africa reality also do not forget we have enough pagan in east Africa. Can’t you see we have enough problem? With 81 tribe and many religions. Way we do not try to negotiate with Eritrea at last we have the same culture in most area also we speak the same kind of language even our prime minister is from Eritrea.

10/03/08 @ 19:17

Comment from: aste menelik II (the best of all kings and dictators) [Visitor]

I say Somalia, Djouti, and Eritrea must all be comletely and totally be in the hand of Ethiopia. No Kenya should ever take a piece of land regardless. So that it will benefit the four countries. We will be as strong as Rassia, China, India and U.S.A. Do it right away without wasting any time. It is a very good idea but who has the stomach to do what is best for Ethiopia? If Meles can do such a thing for our country, we will praise him and keep him as an emperior that he holds currently until the time of his death. But the emperior is a spoild one, he never does what is best for our coutry but the opposite. ONE ETHIOPIA, GREEN, YELLOW AND RED. I LOVE YOU SO MUCH MY HOME.

10/03/08 @ 19:28

Comment from: ፊታውራሪ Free [Member]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Stupid nechachiba

10/03/08 @ 19:51

Comment from: EthioMan [Visitor]

Some with spinning heads spinx out of control. Ethiopia does not need to prove any battels fought and won. History will do that. Africans do not need to kill eachother over anything, not relegion not ideology, both not ours to begin with. For those who shout with the crazy annex theory... well, they are just venting. Those who claim territories of sovereign nations are as crazy as the annexers.

Somalia is an independant nation, has been for many decades. The fact there is no working govt does not lead anyone to suggets such dilusional and thoughtless means. It is poisoning otherwise lawful people and nations near by. It must be condemed for what it is. Spreading poison.

My take on this issue is, Ethiopia MUST withdraw and allow the Somali people to do what they may to themselves. If and when they cross our borders, then we will let those who claim we never beat any shiritam or shabian punk back to oblivion, come and watch. Till then, I say somalia to Somalis.

10/03/08 @ 20:02

Comment from: yahye [Visitor]

:Once Kenya and Ethiopia have sent their combined army to Somalia and declared the annexation, we will present to the world a fait accompli. "
:>>

A mentally handicapped Negro Rambo.

10/03/08 @ 20:17

Comment from: Tegerami [Visitor]

Those of you support this idea must be out of your mind. In return, rather, ethiopia shoul leave and depart from the somali region of Ogaden, which was annexed by menilki the II a century ago. Because that is the root problem for all animosity and mistrust between these two brotherly horn of afrikaners.
If once ethiopia leaves the region, no doubt that peace will be prevailed between somalis and ethios for eternity. Anyways,we had the gut to give eritrea, the real habesha land, away by the bless of our government in our modern day history. So why we lose a courage to do so in Ogaden, non-habesha land, but somali land.

10/03/08 @ 20:23

Comment from: Sprinter [Visitor]

Ethiopia is cutting and running, what can it annex? As for the Kenya Kelinjin reporter, his suggestion of passing the buck to Ethiopia is interesting. Why did he not suggest Kenya to annex instead. Because he knows Kenyans cannot face Somalis. Kenyan soldiers are heavily equipped but in battles they defate on themselves. Anyone who lived in Northern Kenya knows that.

As for Ethiopia, its hallucination is over. It is reality checks. Its opportunistic moves are bust. What a field day we Somalis have. Its time you taste defeat. Your boys are hold up in few buildings in Mogadishu. As I write they want to desperately run away. They are afraid and terribly lonely. The bullet is their fate, either way if they say or not. They have exit strategy.

It must be horrible to be defeated by a country without a regular army. Yes, yes, your adventurism has eventually cought up with you. Allua Continua!!!

10/03/08 @ 21:07

Comment from: Gemechu [Visitor]

SPINX:
Your information on regards the war between Ethiopia and Somalia is right, but I have something to tell u.
Somalia was getting full support from Russian on the begging of the war when they invade Ethiopia. They have more than 200 tanks, MG fighter’s jet and other military hardwires. Then after Russia shifted their support to Ethiopia Somalia was supported by Egypt, USA (because of Russia Support to Ethiopia) and other Middle east countries……
The real question is, there were/are no countries in Africa who won any battle without other foreign/west countries support. We or Somalia don’t produce any weapon at the moment and because of that we always seek help from those who produce it.

When your country (Eriteria) fought for their independence they were getting supports from Egypt and other Middle East countries. So please don’t make it a big deal just because we get lots of supports from other country such as USA. No matter how much the support is you don’t wean without good fighters. Somalia invaded Ethiopia with more than 200 tanks and don’t know how to use it. Finally, they have to abandon all of their tanks for Ethiopian solders.
On recent battle with your Country Eri and Ethiopia your country did get lots of support from Egypt but they were not successful. The reason why they were not successful was luck of man power. U are 4 milon and we are 80 million. Somalia is 7-10 million and we are 80 million. You need to understand the facts. Don’t be moron! Population matters when it comes to battle and economy.

10/03/08 @ 21:56

Comment from: Training1 [Visitor]

Are these people on drugs?

They can't control Somalia and they are thinking of annexing it?

30,000 Tigryabs,2,200 Ugandans and Burundis and thousands of Americans spying on Somalia can't control the SOUTH. Tigryans are being dragged on the streets.

Now this guys is suggesting that we annex the whole country? Please brother. Stop taking drugs before you write.

10/03/08 @ 21:59

Comment from: ZXAmiche [Visitor]

In your dreams!

Be afraid and pray Somalinization not to haunt Ethiopia and Kenya!

10/03/08 @ 22:09

Comment from: Land of the day dreamers [Visitor]

Funny these are the same retards who comment about the unity of Ethiopia day and night
But turn around and dream of the dividing a neighboring country Somalia!!!!

I am appalled even for Nazeret to publish this kind of non sense article in the first place! But again seeing most of the contents published here day in day out and the majority of their clientele here it should not be surprising!!

Fools get down of your donkeys and think again! You could not even convince your cousins, the Orthodox Christian Eritreans to stay with you, what makes you think the Somalians can go along?

Get your house in order before your dreams of others!!!!!

10/03/08 @ 22:11

Comment from: ZXAmiche [Visitor]

lib inKirt yimegnal!

10/03/08 @ 22:18

Comment from: kitkat [Visitor]

Annex Somalia?

What you are gonna do with an empty empty empty land with the most getto people on earth?

Westerners should use it as hunting ground for wild animals?

10/03/08 @ 22:40

Comment from: Ababu [Visitor]

What a ludicrous idea!!! is there any legality of annexing a sovereign country? If so, yes. but i don't think a failed state like Ethiopia would be able to annex a neighboring country and administer it. The only African country that played such a role was South Africa which had been mandated to admiister Namibia after the defeat of Germany in WWI. This whole idea is a wishful thinking that would mar our country to another round of instability and political complexity.

10/03/08 @ 22:51

Comment from: Wenebz [Visitor]

Ethiopia annexing who and what!? The love for aggrandizing thoughts - that is the real joke!

10/03/08 @ 23:11

Comment from: Time [Visitor]

What is his name? Kipkorir? Wow, I did not know a Kalenjin guy had the audacity to think beyond his nose!!. Does he know his uncle MOI when he was overthrown the man who saved his ass was a Somali (General Mohamoud)? All the Kalenjins went and hid themselves in their Shambas (farms) including Moi. It was Mohamoud who with few Somalis under his command took back the Statehouse and the Radio station and announced Moi is still the President.
Mohamoud took a helicopter and went to Moi's Shamba (farm) to bring him back. The Kalenjin man (Moi) told Mohamoud 'Please kill me in my farm. Don't take me away'. Wow! and Wow again. A kalenjin can dare think of annexing Somalia? It is us somalis who allowed these low life neighbours who never dare look at our side the chance to even think of it. Alas, we somalis might be brave but we are stupid. This generations is definately not like our grand fathers. The year 2020 will be somalia's year and down hill Issack Newton's theory for Ethiopia. I guess Kenya has already started the rift more than eethiopia but what can a Kalenjin's brain comprehend. Haven't you seen the flying machetes? Each one of them has it in his garage and are ready to cut each other into pieces.
Having said all that, I would prefer seeing the people of Africa living in peace and prosperity rather than talking of annexing a sisterly nation. The Kalenjin boy forgot his country is at the brink of extinction.
Let me say all Afrcan countries need to re-evaluate their way forward. otherwise they will be written into the history books. Aids, Maleria, Poverty, droughts, Wars will only increase bearing in mind the scars reaources the world will be facing. I fear for Africa and he is talking of Annexing another country.

Wait until 2020 and tell me about it. Strategy and maticulous planning that covers many dimension will be the way out for Somalia. By 2020 the Alshabaab and warlords will be history and there will be enough educated somalis in western countries who will take the lead. Investing in Infrastructure, Education, Agriculture and strong social engineering will put Somalia on Track. If you remember what I said, Ethiopia will be going down hills since by then they are recovering from Meles and Tigrey Legacy if they are not mired in civil war. I just pray to God the Somalis don't take revenge in playig a role in distabilizing Ethiopia more. That is what Meles did. If this happens I wonder who will hold together Ethiopian tribes and religions.
Somalis, we have a saying that says " Don't dig your brother's grave as you might be the one that will fall into it". Ethiopia has dug the Grave but will it be the one to fall into it? Twelve years will tell.
If you read my post please try to remember what I have posted.

Proud Somali.

NAZRET PLEASE POST IT.

10/04/08 @ 00:42

Comment from: araadom [Visitor]

Annexing Somalia-b/n Ethiopia and Kenya.
You people-why ,why you always bark when your masters in the west tell you.You daydream when your country is always called the land of famine and hunger.Do your homework clean your dirty backyard before you look into Eritrea and Somalia. For Eritrea Adois it is the land of its owners.

10/04/08 @ 01:10

Comment from: Master Mind [Visitor]

raee

Thank you.

You bunch of morons knowing your limitations and capablites should be priority, but which part of your air head have a brain to think?
Let alone annexing somalia you couldn't take control of feeding your family, it's too easy to open your mouth hiding your dusty head behind your $20.00 flea market PC but that is not the point...the point is know who you are, some of you idiots can not tell your own names in proper Amharic and most of you have no value of Africanism, simply a borndogs brainless idiots do you think Somalis will stand in a corner and watch you while your kimal is takin over their land?
What a stupid question???????
Nazret thank you for this rubish topic which was able to pull out these morons out of their rat hole.

10/04/08 @ 01:39

Comment from: Z-Mike [Visitor]

Although the suggestion is not a bad idea, Ethiopia should only offer Kenya 10% of Somalia’s land. Kenya did does not have the military need to stand for a fight if and when a fight (war that is0 breaks out. Kenya’s total military is estimate at about 45,000 including the police force, the navy army etc. So to suggest Kenya taking over half of Somalia is not realistic and a very dangerous suggestion by the media.

The next steps of Ethiopia should be:
1} train and build strong navy.
2) Stay in Somalia and if need get rid of the clan leaders and tell Somalis if they don’t get there act together, there wont be another nation call Somalia.
3} get rid of Sheabians along with its terrors.
4} hold a referendum in Ethiopia whether or not Eritrea becomes independent.
****Keep on building even stronger military in Ethiopia and work on stronger democratic systems. Once we do that, Ethiopia will become stronger then ever before and the world will see the strength of Ethiopia/ns.

Z-Mike

10/04/08 @ 01:51

Comment from: kitkat [Visitor]

Annex Somalia !

Yes, Please Please Annex it.

Specially for the sake of unarmed clans who are beings massacred by so called noble clans.

Please Ethiopia Annex Somalia !

10/04/08 @ 03:01

Comment from: habeshawu [Visitor]

Time,

you are full of sh*t, you keep saying 2020, did Somalia win the chance to host Olympic or what :?:

seriously be specific about your 2020 plan. you are a typical angry man with a hot balloon head just like our northern neighbors.

10/04/08 @ 03:50

Comment from: Tamrat Tamrat [Visitor]

Lets levae somalians affair to somalians. And if they tried to mess with uss like 2006, 1977, etc then will show them who we are and they strat singing cuba and russia help ethiopia. The worrest thing about the somalians is the story they creat and believ. Is it not a disgrace to discuss anexation of a nation by itself.

10/04/08 @ 04:04

Comment from: Interesting Topic [Visitor]

The writer is a good thinker of the time. But lacks the knowledge of History.

Once Hirsi Ali (a Somalian activist) said about herself that she is the 7th generation of an Immigrant came to todays Somalia. Meaning the not Habesha look like Somalians are not the original residents in todays Somalia.

Somalia never ever has been a country before the British, Italian colonization on her dividing in three. They were primitive nomadic acting and living the way their animals demanding them to do. As the Abyssinian history says, the Entire Somalia territory was under the axumite kingdom including Yemen, southern Saudi Arabia and Gulf states that many of them still looks like the Habesha people. Mogadishu means moqat and shum= the Abyssinians word. The shum/Astedader of the moqat area.
Because of spreading Islam in Africa through war and invasion, the Arabs and Iranians fought against the Abyssinians the same way the Arabs did at the time in todays Sudan against them, too. But never ever been Somalia as a state with her todays territory boundary.

Abyssinia (Ethiopia) was the oldest statehood in AFRICA/one of the world. Modern Ethiopia (small Ethiopia) is the oldest modern statehood in Africa since 1850/60+ under the leadership of the modern Ethiopian father Atse Teodros.
After the death of Zere Jacob, the powerful Queen Ellni took the Abyssinian responsibility including todays Somalia Territory. But the time was very bad to Ethiopia as the Turks and Arabs were taking vast territory in todays Sudan including the territory called Sabians (all of them were at the time Christians including eastern, northern and central Sudan). The conflict was going on actively for 400 years but started since 8/9 century. And the worst was between 11-15 in the north and eastern part of the country. In the 16 century after the queen Eleni death (1522), the Arabs saw the weakness of the kingdom and they came through the south (todays Somalia by hiring a primitive nomad converted to become Muslim and as then brainwashed blood sucker against all Christians.
The gruesome Muslim invasion against the Christian Abyssinians took 14 years (1529-1543). During this time they even reached to the centre of the Christian kingdom in Axum and burned down the Axum Tsion mariam. This shows how much human and material damaged all over the country they had caused and the country situation changed for good.

With the European help, the Arabs invasion to spread Islam through war and killing is defeated. But the Abyssinians were badly destroyed. Many have died. Others immigrated to the north to the highlands to escape. The rest became Muslims and the same times they started acting as the todays Somalian do. This is the way the Abyssinian look like Somalians became as Somalians. That is why we said Ethiopian Muslims didn't become Muslims by choice but by force through invasion and war.

The weakness of the Abyssinians became an opportunity to the massive migration/invasion like ants for the gala migration to the southern, central and western Ethiopia. The Somalians also did the same by defeating the Adals.This way the Zemene Mesafent created and took about 300 years.
Yet, when Ethiopia regrouped and became as a nation in 1860+, there was no a single nation in Africa at the time. That is why I said, “Ethiopia is not only the oldest ancient country but also the oldest modern country, too.”
Egypt became as it is since 1922. The rest of Africa became as it is today since 1953 started from Ghana. Sudan, Kenya, Somalia and the rest of Africa is just 50+ years old. Even in the middle east countries Like Saudi Arabia became as it is today in 1906. Iraqi 1923. And other Gulf States became, as they are latter on. So, the OLF idea of Ethiopia hundreds years old is fiction, ignorant, baseless, wrong and second even if she it so, she is older than any nation in Africa and the Middle East, too. No a single African nation has a hundred years modern statehood.

When it comes to Somalia they have been a country for only 20+ years under Siadbarie. That is it. They never ever have been a country more than that. I think the habesha look like Somalians have the right to be part of Ethiopia if they want to be that way. But Ethiopia demanding them to be part of her will be a mistake. You cannot govern them because of they never been governed by themselves and they have no idea to respect it.
As the entire Kenyan cost is part of the Kenyan Somalians, Kenya will have big problem with them. If you listen Somalians individually, almost all of them like Ethiopians that any one from Africa including the Kenyans. The Somalian Immigrants that have been in Kenya will tell you their feeling about the Kenyans. While the same time those have been in Ethiopia also will tell you their appreciation and respect towards Ethiopians. Only few Jiahdists do hate Ethiopians because of religion.

Ethiopia has a big rat on her back yard and first and for most she has to deal with it. That rat is Eritrea. So, it is time to deal with the shabia rats. The have disappeared from Eritrea means all over Ethiopia will be peace and security as shabia is training all anti Ethiopian elements including the primitive Somalia Islamic terrorists, OLF and nomadic primitive ONLF.

10/04/08 @ 04:28

Comment from: Legassi Zenawi [Visitor]

Somaliland will be a free country with close ties to Ethiopia, UK, and USA, white isolated south somalia and pirate infested puntland are killing each other with their warlords and clan.

they always try to polarize and oversimplify the situation saying oh ethiopia = christian, somalia = muslim

you idiots either don't have a clue or are primitive animals.

this is 100% about Territorial integrity of Ethiopia and 0% about religion.

u think that relgion can solve ur problem of fragmented society based on ethnic and tribal lines, YOU WRONG.

10/04/08 @ 05:10

Comment from: Legassi Zenawi [Visitor]

Ill make damn well sure that we take ONLY ASSEB and expel all NON AFAR eritrean animals/donkeys.

We will take back our ports, as Mengistu said:

"I was there [Eritrea] with 700 people, We are there only for military strategy of water [Red Sea], there's no Oil there, no diamonds, no gold, it's not a country, there's no people, NOTHING"

We will be comming back for Asseb!

Ethiopia Tikdem

10/04/08 @ 05:16

Comment from: Yohannes [Visitor]

No! No! No! All so-called national boundries created by colonial masters should be dismantled. Africa must be united in order to survive in the 21st century as a viable entity. Clanish and tribal thought should be arrested. Let us think big and far into the future while educating the unlearned. Had it not been for their identity crisis, Africans could have thrived in modern global economy becuase of their untapped natural resources.
We have no one to blame now but ourselves.

Democracy is not for Africans, at least for now, for we do not have the cornerstones for it, education, self-respect, human dignity, etc. I think the primitive paternalistic dictatorship based on fatherly or may be, motherly rule would transition us to a better tomorrow. But for the current dictators....

10/04/08 @ 05:21

Comment from: dekia [Visitor]

who is giving ethiopia 100 years of more homework war again.

10/04/08 @ 07:34

Comment from: Somali [Visitor]

Kenya

- A country with the worst record of corruption in Africa since independence

- A country with the largest slums in Africa

- A country whose economy is controlled by ex-colonials and Indians and now Somalis

- A country where people a few months ago were burning/hacking and shooting each other to death - A situation that could break out again any day of the week considering all these ethnic groups are still not satisfied

- A country who's main tourist industry is prostitution

- A country with a mindblowing aids rate - seven or eight times higher than Somalia

- A country that can't provide water to all it's nomadic ethnicities( funny how Djibouti was called primitive for the same reason)

This country is suppossed to solve the Somali problem? who's going to solve KENYA'S PROBLEMS?

Ethiopia

- A country where a racist minority rules over majorities

- A country where a dozens different seccesion groups are active who want nothing to do with the country

- A country that has an inferior telecommunication system compared to Somalia

- A country with less universities in the top 100 of Africa than Somalia

- A country with a smaller GDP per capita than the failed-state Somalia( see Economist)

- A country where 15 million people every year face starvation

- A country that tap dances to every Uncle Sam tune

This country is going to solve the Somali problem? Who's going to solve Ethiopia's problems?

These GI JOE's Arnold Kipkopkipko's and Mutunga Wango's pretending their countries are anything but slaves of America are amusing

Insha-allah by the time of his deadline 2030 Somalia will have swallowed them all

10/04/08 @ 08:03

Comment from: Mesganaw [Visitor]

Time:
A proud Somali? Proud of what?

Before the British and Italian came to scrub nomadic/primitive Somalia, there was no any form of govt since her existence. It was like a no mans land territory. It was ruled under a clan and sub clan system. After independency, Somalia was became as a nation only for less than 30 years.

Egypt was ruled by British. Libya was ruled by Italy. Algeria was ruled by France and Morocco was at last ruled by Spain. That is why there are 4 different countries despite they have the same religion and speaking the same language.

The same thing has to apply for Somalia, too. Somaliland was ruled by British. You have an Italian Somalia and Punt land. So, there must come three different nations in somalia the same way as it happened in North African and other nations, too. So you can count 2020, 2040, 2100+ as numbers are infinitive, but Somalia will not become as one nation. Canada and USA are speaking the same language and have the same religion, why they became two separate states? In the Middle East, South America and elsewhere different nations are speaking the same language and have the same religion. So, Somalia to become, as one nation because of they are speaking the same language and have the same religion is a weak, cheap and never materialise silly thinking. It is already tested for 20+ years and it didn’t work.

Why are you mad towards Ethiopia while the writer is from Kenya? Kenyans are using their arrows and machete against the Somalians calling them the primitive people in Africa.

You can cry or do what ever you like, but your Satanic wish about Ethiopia will never fulfil.
You really have no idea about Ethiopia. When the serious comes, they are one and even the air can not come between them. Accept it and learn more about the Ethiopians good side.

After all Ethiopians are the one saved Islam by giving shelter and support to Prophet Mohamed and his followers. This was the first recognised political asylum granted to any one in human history. The first person who became Muslim is an Ethiopian, Belay (Bilal). We also know what P. Mohammed said about the habesha land and people and to His followers would be conduct towards the habesha people.
But you bastard, his followers became the enemy to the prophet special friends(Habeshas). You are using his name to commit crimes by not respecting his message including towards the habesha people.
I think King Negash/the habesha people made mistakes by giving save heavens and accommodations to them and saved Islam from disappearing as it happened to other religion in human history. If they didn’t, Islam might not be here today. You can try what ever you can in the name of Mohammed against Ethiopia, but Mohammed, Jesus and God will not allow something bad happening against the habesha people. The Arabs are busy all the times against the habesha people for many centuries, but God is fighting against them in the name of the Habesha people. Their crime against the beautiful Habesha women also will be answered by God, soon. Their oil money will be the real curse towards them. You, a primitive Somalian is a slave to them. We know and you know about. Have you been in the middle East. They see you as a Mistake, servant, slave, leftover or a monkey came from the central Africa jungle.

How can you judge Ethiopia while you know nothing about yourself?
I’m talking this to you, not to other Somalians I know that are wise and respectful towards Ethiopians. Go to the Kenyans Blog and deal with them if you can how.

10/04/08 @ 10:20

Comment from: Wadani [Visitor]

If Ethiopia annexed Somalia,the dreams of Somalia will become true from the opposite way.It will be a surprising and an excitements to the Somalis that their dreams became true from their unexpected and believing their enemy of Ethiopia sides.As,ogaden peoples also,it will boost the voices we have in the federal parliaments of Ethiopia.
And it will be the end of the sources of liberator groups that used to be coming of each decades from Somalia (Mogadishu)without the Ogaden peoples consent.

Thus, it will be, a relaxing, peacefulness and a pretty ideas,if that dreams of unifications of Ethiopian and Somalia becomes true. Despite of the many causalities in the process,it will be really,a great idea and surely the rest of the region countries would be joining when they see the greatness and the prosperity reached of united countries of Addis and Mogadishu.

Nevertheless,My predictions of that early bird joining to the unions would be Asmara and the second would be Libiya even before the Djabuti joined to the unions,its Libiya of my second guess.

10/04/08 @ 10:30

Comment from: dereje [Visitor]

they say you can choose your friends but not your neighbors.

ethiopia is very unlucky to have somale and eritrea as its neighbor. ethiopias short term strategy should be to strengthen its economy and military so these bad neighbors stay off its affair and its land. in the long term ethiopia may have to take military actions to change the geography and the politics of the two menace.

10/04/08 @ 10:37

Comment from: Time [Visitor]

I have addressed this note to the editor of that article. Those like him should take heed. Africa is sick and tired of people like him.
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Dear Kir (Somali word),
What is your name again? Kipkorir? Wow, I did not know a Kalenjin guy had the audacity to think beyond his nose! Do you know your uncle MOI when he was overthrown the man who saved his sorry butt was a Somali (General-Mohamoud)? All the Kalenjins went and hid themselves in their Shambas (farms) including Moi. It was Mohamoud who with few soldiers mostly Somalis under his command took back the Statehouse and the Radio station and announced Moi is still the President.
Mohamoud took a helicopter and went to Moi's Shamba to bring him back. The Kalenjin man (Moi) told Mohamoud 'Please kill me in my farm. Don't take me away'. Wow! and Wow again. A Kalenjin can dare think of annexing Somalia! It is us Somalis who allowed these low life neighbours who never dare look at our side the chance to even think of it. Alas, we Somalis might be brave but we are stupid. This generation is definately not like our grand father’s-Admission of guilt. The year 2020 will be Somalia’s year and down hill Isaac Newton's theory for Ethiopia. I guess Kenya has already started the rift more than Ethiopia but what can a Kalenjin's brain comprehend. Haven't you seen the flying machetes? Each one of you has it in his garage and is ready to cut the other into pieces.
Having said all that, I would prefer seeing the people of Africa living in peace and prosperity rather than talking of annexing a sisterly nation. Kalenjin boy you forgot your country is at the brink of extinction. Let me say all African countries need to re-evaluate their way forward. Otherwise, they will be written into the history books. Aids, Malaria, Poverty, droughts, Wars will only increase bearing in mind the scarce resources the world will be facing. I fear for Africa and you are talking of annexing another country.

Wait until 2020 and tell me about it. Strategy and meticulous planning that covers many dimension will be the way out for Somalia. By 2020 the Al-shabaab and warlords will be history and there will be enough educated Somalis in western countries and back home who will take the lead. Investing in Infrastructure, Education, Agriculture and strong social engineering will put Somalia on Track. If you remember what I said, Ethiopia will be going down hills since by then they will be recovering from Meles and Tigrey Legacy if they are not mired in civil war. I just pray to God the Somalis don't take revenge in playing a role in destabilizing Ethiopia more. That is what Meles did to Somalis. If this happens, I wonder who will hold together the Ethiopian tribes and religions. Somalis who have one religion and language have taken this long to resolve a civil war, what will you think of Kenya? this is a good perspective for a wise man.
We Somalis, have a saying that says “Don’t dig your brother's grave as you might be the one that will fall into it". Kenyans also say “Mchimba kisima huingia mwenyewe”. I have lived in Kenya long enough to know it upside down. You will not give me credit if I told you I am capable of formulating a strategy that will put Kenya on its knees within couple of years. I will not shout around like pumpkin head like you but be rest assured your desire was well known and it is a note well taken. Ethiopia with the help of America has already dug the grave for Somalis for many years and it is time they fall into it. As for Kenya and the likes of Kipkorir who don’t know what Somalis are, let me tell you, Somalis will not miss a sleep guarding against Kenyan invasion. The clock has started ticking two years ago and Twelve years from now will tell.

Proud Somali,
Mohamed Abass.

NAZRET PLEASE POST IT. THANKS

10/04/08 @ 10:47

Comment from: Master Mind [Visitor]

Time [Visitor]

What is a single point in all that crap?
You are recommanded to take a capule called "Vocabulary" every 8 hours before meal.

10/04/08 @ 11:07

Comment from: Tesfaye [Visitor]

Annexing Somalia is of strategic importance for Ethiopia to play the role of an ancient black civilisation. Ethiopia should take back Artra and Djoubiti. We have to do it by war if necessary. Eritrea is an ethiopian history. Those who do not want to live under Ethiopian administration are eritrean who are mercenaries. The real eritreans are ethiopians. Djubiti was taken from Ethiopia through international manipulations. Ethiopia is a might power. Unfortunaely the Zenawi group are anti-Ethiopia and are working against a centralised might power.

The Somalians have to be led. And it is only Ethiopia that could give Somalis some hope to live. The ethiopian army is still in full control in Somalia. If Ethiopia is serious, the Islamist will be destroyed with no man left. Ethiopia should wage a full scale war and annex Somalia for Ethiopia. The somalians could be chritinized and eat injera. No Islam in somalia. Somalians deserve more. Their children will go to the same schools as ethiopians. Somali girls will represent Ethiopia as ethiopians as atheletic champions.

Ethiopia is 70% christian- Orthodox Christian (60%). Islam is growing in Ethiopia but not significantly.

Wake up Ethiopians! Unite Africans under the banner of Ethiopia! Start with Somalia because Somalia needs us more!

10/04/08 @ 11:07

Comment from: visitor [Visitor]

Annexing Somalia...and what then? The problem of ethiopians is that we never learn..Last time, we annexed a country, we paid paid a huge price for it: 30 years of war and we missed a great chance to better our lives.

What i would advice all the dreamers in rags that we are, it's to push woyannes to leave Somalia and focus on bringing health,education and food to the people they are supposed to rule :ethiopians.

10/04/08 @ 11:10

Comment from: ANNEX BRITISH EAST AFRICA AND HABASH [Visitor]

To annex Somalia mr. Kukiyo you need to
come to somali cities like Kismayo and
fight real men, Union of islamic courts/
Somali jihad movement/Somaliland National Army etc. We all know that conlonization of
of africa is finish but indeed the slaves
will never change their mindset. I am sitting today in Mombasa and looking at a Muslim /somali city and feeling home,
Kenya is a somali region and soon shall return to SOMALIYA/ we shall it return by be force or by talk, but untill then countinue with your Dreams.Because we as people
don't talk nonsense we Somali take actions and Kenya is somali, go to any city and look for your self. while you are born slaves and only take orders, by somalis or british as in the past.We give orders. And
Todays Order to your mr Kikiyo is dream o
on my BOY>. this Text is written on behave of UNITED SOMAL EAST AFRICAN STATE (includes habashia and kenya).
thank you.

10/04/08 @ 11:11

Comment from: TEDDY [Visitor]

You mean ,annexion what a jock ,a tribal milicia army ,agazis ,blocked and harassed by bare footed children fighters ;has no means to control Somalia any longer than withdrawing or surrender .It's sad to recognise since the evil Zenawi and his thugs took power Ethiopian Armed Forces have ceased to exist ,today the so called National Armed Forces are simply tribal based milicia forces led by illitrate TPLF bandit self apointed officers and generals .Agazis have no pride and dignity as much as the armed forces led in 1964 by Aman Adom and letter in 1977 led by Demisse Bulto ,of course the Air Force of Fanta Belay who really defeated twice Somalian invasion forces . LONG LIVE THE TRUE ETHIOPIANS !!!

10/04/08 @ 11:34

Comment from: D-barry [Visitor]

D. EAR Ogadenian please you talk sheet.I bean in ethio-somalia war 1977.When we start counter atack I saw with my eye the somalia army left behind all the Tank and weapon run like Horse 500k|meter.You know it 2 years ago it takes the heroic ethiopian army less than one week to control south Somalia.That is the fact broo.May be i have some difference with the government I still like ethiopia and the army.

10/04/08 @ 11:44

Comment from: girma yirgu [Visitor]

it is a good idea to take somalia to motherland ethiopia mokadischo means the papties city of ethiopia all ethiopian creastianity came frome thhough mmekadescha mokodischo if meles zenawi did that his name will be among the greatest of all somalia must join ethiopia as 14 provice of ethiopia
no more somalia only one ethiopia
ertrea will came by it self we must not forse them they used to be one nations
ertrea can not servive with out ethiopia please meles zenawi do that and clean your hand and make reconsilations among all ethiopians
so that your beloved childeren will with out fear of ethiopians

10/04/08 @ 11:50

Comment from: lekim [Visitor]

Only those who want Ethiopia and or Kenya to fight their dirty wars for them would advocate the annexation of Somalia. Ethiopia is a law abiding member of the world community and not a Trojan horse for imperialist pigs. Somalis can keep their banana republic.

10/04/08 @ 11:52

Comment from: Somalirealist [Visitor]

Somalia can Annex both Ethiopia and Kenya but not the vice versa.

This Kukuyu Niggar is dreaming.

Somalis own the biggest land in kenya, North Eat, NFD. SOmalis control the econmy in Kenya by taking over from the Indians. We have many politicians well placed into the system fot hat country. Muslims in Mombasa are with us. So basiccally we own Kenya.

TO Ethiopia, we own the biggest land, Oromos the majority of Ethiopia are firendly to us. 50 or more % are Muslim in Ethiopia and associate with Somalia, Eritrea is our Friend. Only Mountain people can go against us.

Above all, Somalia has the gutts to do this, without feering US and EU.

So given these facts, SOmalia can Annexx both of these countries.

However, it should not be our policy to do this.

This writer is a narrow minded fool who does not have any clue of what he is talking about about.

Somalia will think of Annexing any of its neighbours and if its neighbors start thinking so, we know how to respond with swift defeat.

10/04/08 @ 12:00

Comment from: Confussed [Visitor]

I was reading the credentials and experience of this so called the writer of this article, and come to the point of imagining the thoughts of his likes but less credentials. I guess they will imagine annexing the USA as well. All I can say is that this writer is loosing his mind and soon be a mad naked fool running around the streets begging for “Ugali”.

For those of you who applauded to his stupidest idea of all time are also thoughtless idiots. The matter of fact is that both Ethiopia and Kenya are barely making their needs let alone annexing another nation.

You all be really!

10/04/08 @ 12:32

Comment from: Seleme [Visitor]

. . . i dont agree,. . .let them live alone!. . .

10/04/08 @ 13:05

Comment from: Time [Visitor]

HERE IS THE FEEDBACK FROM THE EDITOR IN RESPONSE TO COMMENTS AND MY FOLLOW UP RESPONSE:
Mohamed,
Thanks for your comments though part of them are unnecessarily vitriolic! The strand of my thesis is that if Somalia can't fix its problems since 1960 and be able to exploit its minerals then kenya and ethiopia should do it!
Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone provided by Celtel Kenya

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With all due respect Mr. Kipkorir, who would fix Ethiopia and Kenya's problems? Did Kenya and Ethiopia exploit their resources? I think you are using lame excuse to bring forth your hidden agenda. Please advocate for civility and respect among the nighbouring countries. If we look at Kenya, solving the problem of Nairobi slums, disease and poverty will take years. Why don't you concern yourself with that? It is humilating to suggest poor and backward countries like Ethiopia and Kenya should annex another African country. Why have you never talked of annexing Rwanda, Burundi, Angola, and Zaire to mention a few?
Your comment has no place in modern Africa. If you are among the peace loving Kalenjin people who are very friendly to Somalis, you would write an appology article in response to the ill thought and sinister article you titled "Annexing Somalia".

10/04/08 @ 13:28

Comment from: el [Visitor]

Somali [Visitor]

assuming you are Somalian, where did you get your facts about Somalia's GDP being higher than ethiopia or Somalia having more universities than ethiopia? It doesn't actually matter whither you are somalian or Eritrean since you both have a lot in common in terms of being the only so called nations in the world with no annual budget and higher education(university) to talk about, let alone GDP . be happy you are not alone.

10/04/08 @ 13:47

Comment from: United Alem [Visitor]

I WILL POOT IT IN SHORT !.... NO NEED TO CREAT AGAIN EAST AFRICAN EVERLASTING WAR AS PALESTINE AND ISRAEL BETWEEN ETHIOPAN AND SOMALIAN!!!!!!EVEN 1000000 % WORST THAN PALESTINIAN AND ISRAEL!!!! "GOMEN/CABAGE BETEN" SANG TSHAY YOHANES

10/04/08 @ 14:07

Comment from: Tesfaye [Visitor]

Emperor minilk said if god gave him the the bless to live longer and in health, he would annex all territories along the indian ocean coastline.
When he aimed this He ignored the Eritreans(BANDAS)at the moment.
But minilik died before accomplishment.
Now Meles Zenawi look like
accomplishing what Minilk started.

10/04/08 @ 14:08

Comment from: mo [Visitor]

did i heard him say somalis have more per-capita then kenya.that says alot isn't it? if that is the case knowing kenya has more per-capita then ethopia,they could only invade with artificially sustained armies. its a fact that we are prosprering more than you lot eventhougt we didnot have proper governemet for ages.what will happen if we have peace god knos

10/04/08 @ 14:38

Comment from: jank@mail.com [Visitor]

MY ANSWER IS SIMPLE YES!

WHY DID YOU TAKE YOU LONG!

for starter I have a fealing Somilian in Ethiopian have better life then Somilian in Somilian... Ethiopian problem is always money otherwise we are much modern people... even much better advance people then USA... we are very poor but we are not killing each or fool reason... you don't some one telling you he will kill you because you are muslim etc etd.. or he doesn't like because you are this or that ethnic groups... beside we are not war like people... we respect rule and law we vaule human life....

Beside on this Somilian would be better of ruled by Ethiopian under Ethiopian flag...

To make sure this become a reality we should arm all woman in Somilia give them gun to proect themselves from war lord... once we are all the woman in Somilia the man will lose their power... The man can not go around and tell the woman to sew their privet part... if they do the woman police officer will coem and take him to jail... you see if you want the woman right to be respected then you should give woman power how by giving them power meaning gun... GUN MEAN POWER IN AFRICA... if the woman misss use the gun and attack the Ethiopian army then that is their lose...

In fact armying the woman would be the best staragy even in all Arab countries... if all the woman have gun... how in hell the man will going to oppress them?

100,000 woman army will do the job to fix the men... now the warlord can't wear the woman dress and do their drity job the woman will stop him!!!!

Eritean have woman army... some northern arab country also have woman army... if the woman feed up with this BS then they should be happy to fitght for their freedom.... if they didnot then they are have only themselves to belmeam

10/04/08 @ 14:53

Comment from: Shewarega [Visitor]

Somalia is a sovreign nation. What ever problem they have within them, including those of Somalilan/Puntland belongs to them. Having said that, I think Somalis should also stop this never ending plot of attacking and plotting against Ethiopia. We can all go to history and talk about who did what to whom. But lets just live that alone, and let us both strive to first reconstitute Somalia, and second bring about true Democratic governments in both countries. For Democratic nations do not spend their day plotting how to destabilize, or conquer their neighbors. Somalia had one chance to grab territories from Ethiopia. That was 1977 when Ethiopia was swept by revolution. But look what that brought upon Somalia. It disintegrated at its seems. And you fed and bred Meles, who was carrying a Somali passport, and you got what you deserved. He is bombing and destroying your homes. I think the bottom line is this talk of annexing Somalia is a joke. On the same token Somalis should stop this dream of grabbing land from their neighbors. The most important thing is that those who live there get a voice, and are beneficiaries of what they possess. I for one will be very happy if there is peace in Ogaden, and the oil is brought out to change the lives of those long suffering people there.

10/04/08 @ 15:26

Comment from: coolman [Member]

All of you people trumpeting for this
outrageous idea suffer from delusion of grandeur, which has proven to be the best recipe for disaster.

Thank God none of you seats at the wheel of power. What is next, Madagaskar? I think we should start with Sudan. And, with the oil money, we can buy all those fancy weapons and cash in Egypt and Libya.

Oh, Talian gudish fela, we are coming to get you too.

Peace

10/04/08 @ 15:31

Comment from: Mr Fair [Visitor]

I don't know where Mr. Kopkirir grew up but I can see a dangerous mix of hate and ignorance.
If Southern and Central Somalia where part of Kenya, I have no doubt that withing few years, Kenya would have turned into a Somali dictatorship, Woyane style.
Kikuyu, Luo, Kalenjin etc. would have been just like the Gurage, Afar, Wolyta etc in Ethiopia i.e nice hard working people who have nothing to do with power struggle. In a few decades, there would probably be another Mao Mao to kick out the Somalis, or there may be Kenyan Liberation Front.
Somali Kenyans represent about 3% of the Kenyan population at the same time they control a big junk of the economy and they controlled the military to some extent. Raise that percentage to about 18% and Kenya would be in a big trouble.

What about Puntaland and Somaliland (Northern and Northwestern Somalia) being part of Ethiopia?
Here are two scenarios;
If they decide to fight occupation, then they are the ones who can organize themselves the most and they can wage a war comparable to that of Eritrea. Actually the Somalilanders (Nortwest) and the Ogadenis were historically the bulwark against the expansionist Ethiopian kings and they had the upper hand until European colonialists tied their hands(there was weapons embargo on all Somali Speaking region for more than 70 years).
If they decide to forget about Somali ethnocentrism, hold hands with their muslim brothers in the Horn, and compete for power withing Ethiopia, then the fundamentalist Ethiopian Orthodox church would be in trouble. That would have been a big boost for the humbled Ethiopian Muslims.

A short answer for the whole article would have been;
Tried it and good luck.

10/04/08 @ 16:14

Comment from: jank@mail.com [Visitor]

RE:-Somalia is a sovreign nation.

Next you will tell us they are Muslim nation.. you see sovereign nation doesn't rap and murder their own people..

be it in Muslim be it in any law NO! country have the right to kill their own citizen... I have no marcy for those killer and murderer hiding behind Sovreign nation crap!

If they want to be respected as Sovreign ation then why are they looting the sea? if they are Msulim why are they looting at Gun point.. they are not Msulim yes they hide behind Muslim cover but what they did is not Isalam...

The old day where a sovreign nation can do any crap as they wish in their own people is gone... if you don't trust me ask those Bosinan Msulim they got help from USA... when their own nation kill them

My point is Somilian are not a sovreign nation they break all the rule in the book be it UN rule be it Muslim rule be it devil rule be it any rule... they burn the rule and the holy book

my friend when white colonzation end the black colonzation started we Ethiopian will be the first to stop this black colonzation they like it or not..

I hope the Russian would be very happy to help us out to restore peace and law and rule in Ethiopia... it not today 20 years later Somilian will be greatful for the help we give them at their time of need...

MY question to any Ethipian would be you would not mind if the Somilian come and kick out Meles? I know you will not mind! that is why you are working with Eritrean to kick Meles therefore what is the diffrent here... if we help the Somilian people kick out the war lord...

as united with Ethiopia we are the same people think about it the federal system will sove all our proplem they can keep their port but all Somilian or Ethiopian will not need visa to come and work in Ethiopia or Somilia we use the birr and Somilaian currecy... us see we don't want to control them we only want to be hlep that all..

10/04/08 @ 16:22

Comment from: ocho [Visitor]

It is alright to have fantasy,but do you recall what the proverbial monkey answered when asked if it needs help removing the thorns from her feet? Curb the fantod for now.

10/04/08 @ 17:10

Comment from: Muslimwarrior [Visitor]

By God the Great,if the ugly ethiopians want to have longtermed war and hatred between them and the somali people then they should try to annex somalia.

10/04/08 @ 17:52

Comment from: kitkat [Visitor]

Mr Fair

I agree with you. Sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for.

10/04/08 @ 19:12

Comment from: finfine1 [Visitor]

The Northern highland Hyenas are getting very paranoid!!!!!!
Slowly but surely you could see they been encircled from all sides. This stupid idea of invasion, annexation, killing and terrorizing the innocent inhabitants is their last grasp attempt before they run away to their cave!!!!!

Scavengers, No more bleeding the pride land on a naked day light. The lions are catching up with you! We can see you nervously looking behind for your escape route!!

10/04/08 @ 20:08

Comment from: visitor2 [Visitor]

Shewarega [Visitor]
The more I read your comment the more I agree with you!!!!
Specially, this is coming from someone who grew up grew up in a feudal family (no pun intended!!!!). It shows someone doesn't have to be the victim to feel the pain and see how others being victimized. I swear if most of the feudal families were as liberal as you, we would not have the evil regimes of Mengistu and Meles in the first place!!!

Keep it up!!!!

10/04/08 @ 20:37

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

Ethiopia and Kenya must take over somalia and share it into two. Just as Mr. Donald put it Ethiopia can have the northern part and Kenya may take the southern one. somalia is a cancer for both Ethiopia and Kenya, somalia should have never been created as a country in 1960. The British and italians should have given it to Ethiopia and Kenya. I support Mr. Donalds idea 100%. Eastern Africa will also be out of reach of the influence of arab countries like egypt and sudan. egypt as usual went to saudi arabia and cried about somalia in 2006 but the Saudi king opposed her idea/ crocodile tears. soamlais since its fabrication in 1960 has been nothing but problem to both Ethiopia and Kenay. This is the right time the world must uphold Mr. Donald Kipkorkiks sugesstion.

10/04/08 @ 20:56

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

ogadenian, yours is a typical arab/shabia propaganda. Ethiopia can feed herself and Ethiopia is in somalia with out anyones support. For Ethiopia to destroy the extremist like hassan dahir aweys in the interest of Ethiopia and others like the US. The US may have agreed with the idea but did nothing to support Ethiopia.

ogadenian you are one stupid shabia/eritrean. somalia tried to invade Ethiopia twice and finaly somalia payed a heavy price in 1991 when their mad dog siad barre who once claimed to be an arab was chased out and died in Nigeria.

"ogadenian"/eritrean, Ethiopia remained free from foreign colonizers by the galant Ethiopian leaders and people. There was nor british, cuban or russian to help when Ethiopia was attacked by so many countries. As for your cuaba...claims it is Russia and Cuba who trained and armed siad barres army from 1969-1978.

"ogadenian"/eritean or an arab puppet I may add. Mr. Donalds idea is visionary and one that every sane Ethiopian and Kenyan must support. somalia since its fabrication in 1960 has been nothing but an arab play ground.

10/04/08 @ 21:06

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

kirkiri, you are a disgruntled arab puppet.

10/04/08 @ 21:09

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

death to weyanes, you are an arab puppet. There is nothing called "ogadenia" or "oromia". The Oromo people are proud Ethiopians who love Ethiopia and pushing for a democratic government like any other Ethiopian.

10/04/08 @ 21:13

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

Emperor Menelik, Afar are proud Ethiopians who were made eritreans against their will in 1991. Ethiopia is 70% Orthodox Cheristian, Muslims are 25% and the rest are animist and protestant.

10/04/08 @ 21:16

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

raee, a visionless person like yourself always think about food, you get what you eat and that completes your little world. I wonder what type of a brain you have. Mr. Donalds idea is a great one and every Ethiopian and Kenyan must support it.

10/04/08 @ 21:18

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

danieltekle, your "eritrea" was not mentioned, why don't you mind your own business. The issue is for Ethiopia and Kenya. Haileselassie NEVER anexed "eritrea". You are parroting the usual shabia propaganda with which you are brainwashed. Your 30 years war is the ridiculous one that makes me laugh out loud every time I hear about it. As if your stupid "shabia" militarily defeated Ethiopia. You are day dreaming honey. No one asked for the so-called "federation" it was a term used by the UN. As for your 1991 story, the reality is the egyptian butros butros ghali stole you and made you an arab temporarily. I saw the golden camel and the arabic alphabets on the so-called "eritrean" passport. Will "eritrea" sustain itself after the downfall of the arab puppet EPLF? I doubt it. There are thousands of eritreans fleeing to Ethiopia and sudan, they are paying a large amount of dollar to be smuggled to Ethiopia as we speak. So much for your so-called "independence" or I may add arab slavery.

10/04/08 @ 21:26

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

uwnet lemenager, just like the somalis I am sure you are high on drug cocaine or heroine, somalis are wild animal who failed to live together while speaking the same language and only one religion Islam.

10/04/08 @ 22:24

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

Dr. Ashebir, the so-called "eritreans" were sold to the egyptian butros butros ghli in 1991 by meles zenawi and isayas afeworki. "eritreans" as a result claimed to be an arab.

10/04/08 @ 22:27

Comment from: Training [Visitor]

Hey Ahmed. You need to stop listening to Meles. He's lying and your buying his lies.

For example

". Ethiopia can feed herself and Ethiopia is in somalia with out anyones support. For Ethiopia to destroy the extremist like hassan dahir aweys in the interest of Ethiopia and others like the US. The US may have agreed with the idea but did nothing to support Ethiopia."

No Meles sent his forces into Somalia because Americans didn't want to try and lose their own people. White blood is more important then Ethiopian blood. Bush gave Meles Zenawi $400 million and what did Meles do with that? He bought cheap and old Soviet weapons from North Korea. USA also gave Meles intelligence map and they also attacked Somalis by air.

Even after all of this. Tigryan forces are being dragged in the streets of Mogadishu.

"omalia tried to invade Ethiopia twice and finaly somalia payed a heavy price in 1991 when their mad dog siad barre who once claimed to be an arab was chased out and died in Nigeria."

Both times Ethiopia had help. In the 60s it was the Americas helping and in the 70s Ethiopia didn't just get help. The Cubans and the Russians sent the evil mengustu billions in tanks and weapons. But even after that his forces couldn't fight the Somalis so they sent 30,000 Cubans and 10,000 Russians to fight for him. Mengustu didn't win. The Cubans and the Russians won.

It's nothing to be proud of. An African nation defeated by white people is a shame. That we were to weak to even defend ourself and needed white people to help us is even more shameful.

"Ethiopia remained free from foreign colonizers by the galant Ethiopian leaders and people. There was nor british, cuban or russian to help when Ethiopia was attacked by so many countries. As for your cuaba...claims it is Russia and Cuba who trained and armed siad barres army from 1969-1978."

You remember the Italians? They came to Ethiopia and slaughtered the armies we fielded. Even after the help the British gave us we still couldn't defeat them.

Oh and the Russians and the Cubans FOUGHT for us in 77. Somalis never had anyone fight for them.

"Mr. Donalds idea is visionary and one that every sane Ethiopian and Kenyan must support. somalia since its fabrication in 1960 has been nothing but an arab play ground."

No he isn't. This man is an idiot. 30,000 Tigryans and thousands of African Union soldiers can't even control Mogadishu. Half the city belongs to the Somali Islamists. They walk calmly in the streets with their guns. Now you are telling me that this mans harebrained idea that we can conquer Somalia is even possible? You must be mad. It's Ethiopians like you who make our country weak. You ignore what is going on and deluded your self into thinking that the country is heading for a nice future. When in actual fact it has become the white mans country. White men go every single year to Merkele and Addis to sleep with starving young girls.

It's people like you that make me never want to come back to Ethiopia. Until we get proper leaders and people who aren't willing to believe lies. Ethiopia will be the starving nation of the world.

10/04/08 @ 22:34

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

ali roble, there you go. somalia is a place that must be removed from the world map. Ethiopia and Kenya must work hard to make Mr. Donalds suggestion a reality. somalis since its creation in 1960 is a problem now coupled with al-shabab, al-qaida etc somalia is a place that deserves to be taken by Ethiopia and kenya.ali roble, no one anexed the so-called "eritrea" the UN federated it in he 1950s. Ethiopia eduacted and made the so-called "eritreans" hopeful, while they were under italy they were not allowed to learn more than 4th grade. Ethiopia even built asmera university. "eritreans" bit the hand that fed them now they are paying a heavy price for it under isayas/arab puppets slavery.

Ali roble, somlais were left alone for 17 long years somalis FAILED big time. somalis must be taken over by Ethiopia and Kenya.

Mr. Donalds idea is a great one.

10/04/08 @ 22:37

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

Yonas Bekele, Ethiopia tried to help somalis but they failed. If Ethiopia withdraws the islamists usualy supported by the likes of egypt and other arabs will take control and that is the last thing Ethiopia, Kenya and the world at large needs. somalia turned chaotic only 30 years after it was fabricated as a nation. somalis can not and will not govern themselves. The remedy to the somali issue is Mr. Donalds idea!!

10/04/08 @ 22:41

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

SPINX, one thing you somlais always forget is that, Soveit Union and Cuba are the ones that trained and armed somalia from 1969-1978. If it was not for the suport of Soviet Union and Cuba siad barre would not invade Ethiopia. The so-called "somalia" was fabricated as a nation in 1960. Trying to take land from Ethiopia made somalia pay a heavy price in 1991. The irredentist somali agenda must be closed for once and for all as Mr. Donald is suggesting.

Spinx, Ethiopia did fought many wars and kept her self free from many countries that tried to invade her, if your "somalia" experienced what Ethiopia went through over the years it would have been history a long time ago.

As a reminder while Ethiopians enjoyed freedom you grand fathers were honeys of European colonizers, yes Ethipians fought and kept their land FREE!! Your sheer stupidity and hatered is not going to change Ethiopias great history.

Spinx, the irredentist agenda of "ogaden" messed up somalia big time they try it again it will be the end of somalia perhaps Mr. Donalds idea must be imeplemented RIGHT NOW!!

Spinx, Ethiopia is there to stay, unless there is a UN peacekeeper Ethiopia will not withdraw. As for your comment on US economy, it will revive again in few years.

10/04/08 @ 22:54

Comment from: Shacni [Visitor]

Thomas , you are wrong and i tell you that KOKEB is right ,
Eritrean are hero people they are 100 time lesser than Ethiopian and they defeated.
Somalia will annex Ethiopia in the coming future and will remove the tigree from the earth and we will let the other Ethiopian brothers/sisters to enjoy freely.
in the question that says should Ethiopia annex somalia?
every person can understand that it came from Africa/Kenyan monkeys when ever they eat UGALI they say what ever in their mind so don't give this important.
their brain connects with food.

10/04/08 @ 22:58

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

Tegerami, you are one stupid hard headed shabia. There is nothing called "ogaden". Ethiopia must retake what was taken from her in the 1960s. There was nothing called somalia before 1960 anyway.

10/04/08 @ 22:58

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

aaradom, you so-called "eritrea" was temprarily sold to egyptian butros butros ghali it will return to Ethiopia. There are thousands of eritreans who are paying thousands of dollar to be smuglled to Ethiopia as we speak. What happened to your so-called independence?

somalis must not be left alone, if left alone it will continue to be a play ground of arabs as has been the case since its creation in 1960.

10/04/08 @ 23:15

Comment from: Great _Somalia [Visitor]

In the reality , these people are dreaming,they are no think even what is going in Somalia at this time,as you know there are more than 50,000 Ethiopian militia inside Mogadishu and baidoa , and you see how they are defeated by the
AL SHABAB heroes , they are less tan 5000 , so is IT possible for tigree to try it annexing herons people LIKE SHABAB which is small part of Somali people what do you thin if all Somali people fight against tigree , i am sure they can reach ADDIS ABABA .i pray for these hero to defeat the enemy and drag their body in the great capital MOGADISHU as they did before many times and Allah with them and i say go ahead and don't let the enemy to take rest, kill them 24 hrs , go to their place and try to remove , if you capture behead them immediately to get the shahada noble .

10/04/08 @ 23:31

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

somali, you are a day dreamer. somalis despite your one language and one religion failed to govern yourselves. Let alone "swallowing" Ethiopia and Kenya as you claimed, somalia can not sustain 3 million people. There is no comparison to somlaia, somalia is a chaotic failed state that has become a head ache for the world, look at the pirates that are taking ships hostage asking ransom and killing crew members. The clan mentality, the starvation, the refugees all over the world. By the way Ethiopia took more than 400,000 somali refugees in the early 1990s I am sure Kenya did the same as well. Despite the support somalia had from various arab countries it failed over and over again. It is high time to uphold Mr. Donalds idea.

10/04/08 @ 23:46

Comment from: Shewarega [Visitor]

visitor2

We are all a product of our experiences. It is true what you said about my background. I was born into the nobility (as I prefer to call it). Not by choice, but because it was my destiny. But one of my grand father was probably the most liberal person of his time. He gave away most of his land to the serfs, and was a constant thorn on the side of the Emperor arguing for change. One of our greatest diplomat/poet once called him an "existentialist." A person who will stand his ground if the whole world is agianst his beliefs. Some of that has filtered thru. Even as a kid, I have always been conscience of my fellow countrymen who are less fortunate than I. One graphic example I remember was in Hararghue. We were returning from celebrations at Kulubi, we stopped our cars, and tables were set under some tree, by a stream, they brought out food and everyone was all smiles. We even had soldiers guarding us, because my father was with us. The thing is we had company. A lone man, he wore traditional Issa cloth (I could be wrong because Oromos of Hararghue are very similar too) dark skinned with straight nose, white hat, and a dagger on his chest. He just stood over there and stared at us with so much hate. He did not say a word, he just stood there and stared. I walked towards him and tried to talk, no reply. If looks could kill we were all dead. I went back to my mother and said, he might be hungry why don't we give him some food. She replied he is Muslim I don't think he will eat it, but ask so and so to give it to him. She was right, they gave it to him, but he did not touch it.
Now, revolution came, most of my family were killed and dispersed. I was in jail at 14 and witnessed very bad things. That also brought me to understand the cruelity of man. Living in exile also added to my experience. But there is another part of my family I am very proud of. Almost all of my ancestors died in battle. Very few die of natural causes, that is where my patriotism, and uncompromising stand about Ethiopia comes from. I KNOW THE PRICE THAT WAS PAID TO KEEP THIS GREAT NATION OF OURS. It does not sit well with me when some rifraf who swam out of the brief case of Pietro Antonelli talk about his Yugoslavia wishes for Ethiopia. I will respond in kind.
Whatever happened in the past the most paramount thing now is, one how to get rid of this band of keffafays who call themselves the government of Ethiopia, and establish a truly democratic situation for all Ethiopians to feel that they are included in the affairs of their homeland. I also believe, forgiveness and repentance are two monumental words if we are to survive. As I mentioned in here before, Siye Abraha can walk from Degol to Meskel adebabaye alone, noone will touch him, but Meles can never do that. Why? because Siye repented. Admitting errors and changing course is victory for the wise, but defeat for the weak. Once repentance is in place, it should be followed by forgiveness from the victims, its the only way forward. Thank you for your kind words, I am just one person, if more of us adopt similar thinking, I think we can overcome all.

10/04/08 @ 23:58

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

visitor, as a parrot all eritreans repeat what the arab puppet isayas afwork told them. Ethiopia NEVER anexed teh so-called eritrea, Ethiopia built university and schools Ethiopia gave all that she can to treasonous eritreans who were not allowed to learn more than 4th grade whiel they were under italian colony. There was no 30 year war, the Derg basicaly destroyed itself thus paved a way for EPLF and TPLF in the late 1980s. In 1991 butros butros ghali the egyptian bought eritrea and made it arab. Now as we speak there are thousands of eritreans who pay a lot of money to be smuggled back to Ethiopia. So much for your so-called "independence". I doubt if your eritrea can sustain itself once the arab puppet EPLF falls down.

10/05/08 @ 00:02

Comment from: Vistor 123 [Visitor]

Ye Kokeb Dingay said,
Comment from: KOKEB [Visitor]
ETHIOPIA never annex somalia. It is a dirty trick of MELATAW ZOMBIE and the TPLF TEGRE morans for all this un-wanted war.

Long live the people of ETHIOPIA & SOMALIA!

DEATH to MELESE and HIS bloodY family SHABIA!
Permalink 10/03/08 @ 15:49
I think you are Moron. Who is you are trying to fool? I think you are Shabiya yourself,,,I followed your comment, you are always jellous of anything of Ethiopian. You are either Shabia or Hodam Yeshabia kit lash.

10/05/08 @ 00:05

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

annex british east....you are stupid who have nothing important to do. Today, probably your girl friend dumped you.

You like it or not, Mr. Donalds idea is a great one!!

10/05/08 @ 00:06

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

somalirealist, you should be nick named somali dillusionist. somalia tried to invade Ethiopia twice and it lost twice. The Ethiopian army controls somalia since 2006. somalia is led by Ethiopian General Gabre.

somali dillusionist, you do not own an inch of land in Ethiopia. Do not full yoursleves Oromos are proud Ethiopians who defended Ethiopia onmany occasion like anyother Ethiopian. Because some nomad from the Bale area is friendly to you, that dose not mean you own land.

Muslims in Ethiopia are 25% and we do not associate with somalia. .

somali dillusionist, you tried twice but failed twice, you try it again it will be the END of what you call somalia. I suggest it is high time to entertain Mr. Donalds idea, it is great.

10/05/08 @ 00:21

Comment from: Soomali boy [Visitor]

mr.ahmed!!! ii think you are sick and day dreeming, but you should know we soomalis are strong people, and what ever difrencens we have when it comes to Kenya and Ethiopia we are allways get along to each other!!!! so those of you who are dreeming to swallow Soomalia you should know Soomaalia is larger than life, breve than you habasha and niggers and smart than you all east african.

10/05/08 @ 00:34

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

Mr. Fair, it is somalia who tried to take land from Ethiopia and lost the war it started twice. somalias mad man colonel or shek hassan dahir aweys as he branded himself recently blabered about taking a huge land from Ethiopia thus Ethiopia occupied mogadishu in less than one week and destroyed the arabized ICU. Mr. Fair, Ethiopians are Ethiopians we give priority to our country, we do not have that extremist/wahabi attitude as you somalis do. Recently it has become common to see somalis in even in the western countries dressed up like a typical saudi arabian, somalis men wearing the white dress and somali women wearing the balck dress that shows only the eye while the rest of the body is covered up.

10/05/08 @ 00:41

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

junk mail.com, to restore a new government Ethiopians do not need the help of arabized somalis. We say NO thanks to your "generous" offer.

10/05/08 @ 00:46

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

finfine, you are a stupid lap dog of isayas afework, have some dignity and liberate yourself from that filthy arab puppet in asmera.

10/05/08 @ 00:50

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

Training, I do not listen to meles. The destruction of hasaan dahir aweys's ICU is in the best interet of both Ethiopia and others who don not like to see another fanatic state. Bush did not give $400 million that is a total fabrication. Bush is in two wars, he can not afford to give that much money at this time especialy.

Both times somalia was supported by arabs to invade Ethiopia, especialy in 1977 15 arab countreis supported somalia with arms, money, even fighet pilot from countries like iraq was present. 1969-1977 Soviet union and Cuba armed and trained somalias army. 1978-1991 arabs and USA supported somalia. Despite all that help somalia got it lost two wars it started. There were no 30,000 cubans, the fight was made by the Ethiopian military, Ethiopia had the finest airforce in the 70s they basically destoryed somalis and arabs that were supporting them, I remember looking at the dead bodies of not only siad barres military but arabs who were there to support somalia.

For your info. Ethiopia remained FREE while your somalia and the rest of Africa fall into European colonization. What I will remind you again is that 1969-1977 SOviet Union and Cuba armed and trained somalia. I don't why you somalis deliberately forget to mention the fact and support the Soviets and Cubans provided to somalia, 1978-1991 somalia was supported by arabs and USA.

I remember the italians, they invaded Ethiopia three times and were defeated three times. The battle of Adwa even energized other colonizd people in Africa and other continents. Ethiopians defeated italy by ourselves. If somalia expernieces so many invasion as Ethiopia did somalia wouod have vanished a long time ago. Ethiopiams love our freedom we will pay all that we have to pay for it thus kept Ethiopia FREE.

somalis had Soviet and Cuban arms with arab soldeirs to fight for them and they lost.

Yes Mr. DOnald is visionary, you probably suffer from an arabized mentality but from an Ethiopian and Kenyan point of view Mr. Donalds suggestion is a noble one. somalia has to go for good.

In my view Mr. Donald is a bright man who foresee and undertands somalia and it's ills very well.

The Ethiopian army is not only Tigrayans, you are mistaken, mogadishu fall into the hands of Ethiopia in less than a week back in 2006.

Yes Mr. Donalds idea is possible and one that needs to be pursued by Ethiopia and Kenya seriously. I am very normal thank you. The ICU and al-shabab hide behind the "Khamiis" of their mother when the Ethiopian army comes close. They attack and run they are cowardly, so much for manhood.

Mr. training, I doubt your Ethiopianess, your statement is not one I would expect from an Ethiopian. No matter who happens to be in the palace, Ethiopian sovereignty must not be violated by mad mullahs like colonel/shek hassan dahir aweys.

10/05/08 @ 01:15

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

shacni, you are probably smoking cocaine together with your mad man isayas afework. The Derg destroyed itself in the late 1980s. Stop fooling yourself and repeating every ridiculous word that comes out of the arab mercinary isayas afework.

10/05/08 @ 01:18

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

great somalia, al-shabab are not hero they attack and hide behind their mothers Khamiis.

al-shabab kills one Ethiopian soldier then 50 somalis will pay the price. You can dream all you want but mogadishu failed into the hands of Ethiopia in less than one week.

The talkative hassan dahir aweys run like a chicken to asmera

if he was man enough he should have stayed in mogadishu. I am sure by now he hassan dahir aweys has become the 7th wife of isayas afework

10/05/08 @ 01:24

Comment from: "annexing" Kipkorir ??????? [Visitor]

Mr.Kipkorir, you should think twice before you write your article "Should Ethiopia annex
Somalia?" I am sure you wrote your article before searching deeply the history of the horn regions. Emperror Haileselassie annexd Eritria with Ethiopia in 1961 by the use of force. But just 10 years ago after Eritrea won indepndence in 1991 both Eritra and Ethiopia went to another cycle of boody war under the pretext of boarder conflict. Till today, 2008, both countries are in a border stalemates.

Mr. Kipkorir, how could you imagine then
annexing half Somalian territories into Ethiopia and Kenya would bring the real solution to the instability of the horn regions. Thus, 100% i don't agrree with your crazy article.

Again, Mr.Kipkorir, please think twice before you answer my question. I hope you will come with a good conclusion arguements in your next article.

10/05/08 @ 01:25

Comment from: kokeb [Visitor]

THOMAS

could you come and pick up your KEDADA-KUMTA? then i will write you off you didn't ANNEX addis-ababa = the city of beautiful. as far as somalia i want your DADY MELESE-ZINJERO to stay longer inorder to subtract the TEGRE-INVADERS to none with somalian cluster bombs. since I don't give a dam for non-ethiopian AGAZI and JIHADIST. Let these trouble maker animals wiped each other. Who cares about AGAZI body bags except the OGADEN hayenas? HELL to AGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGAME looters.

10/05/08 @ 01:38

Comment from: Lamadage [Visitor]

What this idiot Kikuyu has said is not new to those people who knows Kenya and Abyssinian dreams. What is new is his audacity to air his views. Forget about disremebering Somalia at the hand of Kenyans and Abyssinians. On the contrary, Somalis will DISMEMBER Kenya and Abyssinia insha Allah sooner or later. You may ask how? First: Kenya was crafted by British in 1930 with different people ie Luo, Kikuyu, Luoyos, Akambe, Kissi, Massai, Giriyamba and Muslims ie Somalis and Arab coast. If anything goes down to drain it will be Kenya. 2007 has proven that Kenya is only by name and cooperate interest. If they go what we went thru they will be history long time ago Second; We disremeber them by supporting Rift Valley and Nyanze people let alone Turkana and muslims to have their own indepence countries. We can craft a policy of supporting Rift valley luo indepence dream by weapon and port in lieu of their support of Somalis in NFD (North/Eastern Now) Coast to be independent from Kikuyu Zambian control. Rest you don't need to know in detail.

10/05/08 @ 02:21

Comment from: habeshawu [Visitor]

Ahmed

I just can't have enough of your comments man, you are one true ethiopian with a hearts and minds of all ethiopians, keep it up my freind :!:

10/05/08 @ 03:17

Comment from: hana [Visitor]

I’m getting confusion because of the ugly, primitive and backward Somalis that became Muslims by force while they were still acting as wild animals/primitive nomads be part of the Arabs.
It is also giving the same feeling when the centre of the real black people birth place Sudan (meaning Black, slave in Arabic) mainly southwards from Khartoum becomes part of the Arabs. It is also the same with other black african nations that are part of the Arabs.

Lets put the Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, Jordan’s, and other Asian part Arabs in one side.
And then Let put the northern(Saharan) Arab states on the other side. And at last put the Slaves to the Arabs that are black African countries like Sudan, Mauritania, Chad, Somalia, Djibouti and in order to hurt Ethiopia, the Egyptian created fake Eritrea being part of the Arabs.

When I see the last group (the primitive, inferior, slave, backward, and with many other bad names Africans acting as Arabs the same way the first two groups do, I laugh and get conclusion that these black Africans are less than any standard of a human being don't know about themselves who they are and whom they belongs to. when I see how the Arabs are treating them as slaves and using them as raw materials and criminals to commit crimes against follow black African country such as Ethiopia, I get the feeling that they are not themselves but wanting to be other, in this case as Arabs. How can a Somali, Sudan and the likes who is an ugly face, primitive, dark skinned, with the hair and eyes type and colour he/she has feels the same race as Arabs let say a Syrian with light skin, other hair and eyes types including different colour.

The point is these black Africans acting as Arabs is an indication they don’t know who really they are and they want to be others that the different between them is clearly created by nature. I’m sure, south Sudan will be a separate state soon. All black Africans and the west must do everything to happen that way.

10/05/08 @ 05:00

Comment from: Mesganaw [Visitor]

Question:

The idea/writer is from Kenya. He suggested the Kenyans point of view dealing with Somalians including those are part of Kenya.

So, why the Somali Jihadist are turning their suicide mission towards Ethiopia rather than Kenya? Yes, they know and we know how the Kenyans and the rest of Africa see the Somalis as Primitive, uncivilised and with countless bad names. Only Ethiopia treats them with Dignity. But they are animals and they don't get it.

Question:

Some of you are talking about the Arabs while the topic is about Kenyans wanting to annex the dismembered Somalis for almost 20 years. But why is talking about the Arabs. You mean the Ugly Sudanese and Somalis being part of the Arab world will give them the automatic right to be called as Arabs? Absolutely Not.

Who and what is Arab?

Is it a language? Is it a religion or is it a race? The Answer is neither of those. Then what does it mean and who is an Arab? The Somalis and Sudanese calling themselves as Arabs is a laughable story the world has today. Even the Abyssinians/Ethiopians look like living in Arabic nations mainly in Yemen, Gulf states, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Libya, Mauritania and Sudan can not be called as Arabs. But the Ugly and dark Somalis and Sudanese saying they are Arabs is just a joke from slaves wanted to be own masters do (as they were/still are slaves to the Arabs.)
There are also the Turkish look like Arabs especially in Syria, Egypt and other Arabs nations too. So, black Africans; be black and proud who you are rather than wanted to be somebody else thinking that person is better than you.

Again

What and who is Arab? Give me an answer if you have one. But this is a billion mark question the world is asking, yet there is no answer even from those saying they are Arabs. I have nothing against the Arabs but I want to know who is and who is not and why?

10/05/08 @ 08:23

Comment from: Janet [Visitor]

Ethiopia should change the name of Ogaden to that of Jijiga and abandon the optimist name of Somali administration to eastern administration. As to divide Somalia, the idea is farfetched. It is already divided, besides who wants to absorve more trouble makers and animals? There are enough of them in Ethiopia, God knows when they will leave.

10/05/08 @ 10:46

Comment from: The Doctor [Visitor]

Hello All

Somalia, Kenya and Ethiopia are all so insignificant. Lets face it before the Europeans came the somalis were illiterate nomads, the kenyans were nomads/bush men and so were even the "mighty" abasinians.

...and today no much has changed. the truth is the main reason why the etho/kenyan annexation won't happen is because neither nation has the ability to maintain order in their own nations (election violence, tribal ethnic divisions, militery coups, etc) let alone evn contemplate the activities of another.

It is very sad to see the east africans so divided and so bitter towards each other. i have a felling that most of the people on this message board are infact insulated from war and famine like me (living in the UK) therefore they find it easy to use phrases such as "destroy them" and "send our army in" - like your army has the ability to go anywhere but to your own presidential palace after a few years, or even to your own villages and rape your families (it happens)

listen guys, the truth is that all your nations -maybe not somalia for the time being for obvious reasons- are run by the most divisive and ruthlessly evil men, who i promise will have no problem in killing their own people.

All these "leaders" want is to hang on to power and have illusions of grandure when really people around the world see them as an example of their country, undeveloped, uncivilized, wild, savage and dangerous.

Islam, christianity, a sence of deranged national/ethnic pride are being used as an excuse to hate one another on the horn. however these are being used to pull the wool over peoples' eyes.

Why then are somalians, ethiopians, kenyans, eritreans, and infact many others around the world living like animals in their own countries, why do they (like my family) have to run away and live on another continent.

There are two types of nation in the world, one group get it - unity is strength, education is power, religion and nationalism are servitude, while another group don't get it.

I don't understand why you people don't get ashamed or embarased when your fellow human next door is suffering. after all you are all juged together (in real news publications anyway).

A guy above metioned 2020 as being the turning point on the horn of africa, it probally will be the year that you people are ridiculed, made idiots of, or even made to kill one another - no, hold on ...that happens every year, every year since contact was made with the rest of the planet.

The real enemy you should be scared of is being a porn in someones' foreign policy (USA, Egypt, UK, France)

For your own good just think a little bit more, questions other nations motives a little and for goodness sake please, please pretty please all of you stop being polarised by small time news agencies and manipulative bloggers.

Search For The Truth

10/05/08 @ 11:43

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

anexing kipkorir, Emperor Haileselasie NEVER "anexed" the s-called "eritrea". That is the propaganda you "eritreans" are brainwashed with. EPLF as an egyptian puppet was told to teach you guys to hate everything that is Ethiopian. No one asked for the "federation", the people of Mereb Milash aka "eritrea" were always Ethiopian and they wanted to return back to Ethiopia after a brief italian occupation. Even after your so-called independence in 1991 thousands of young "eritreans" are paying large sums of money to be smuggled back to Ethiopia. Now that they realized how they were tricked by the egyptian puppet EPLF led by isayas afework.

10/05/08 @ 12:32

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

anexing kipkorir, Mr. Donald is looking at somalia from an African perspective, you have been brainwashed by the arab puppet EPLF led by isayas afework, since you "eritreans" have betrayed you Africanness and claimed to be arab and started to think like an arab I am not surprised at all by your blind opposition to Mr. Donalds excellent idea.

Mr. Donald must push for this great idea to materizalize, as Mr. Donald puts it somalia being ruled by Ethiopia and Kenya will made eastern Africa more peaceful and stable. The likes of colonel aka sheikh hassan dahir awesy who run away to asmera in late 2006 will not have a ground to spread their wahabi ideas that usualy turns innocent young men into an international terrorist.

10/05/08 @ 12:38

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

lamadage, somalia is led by Ethiopia since 2006. It is time for Ethiopia to take full control of the nomad land. Mr. Donalds idea is a great one, somalia since its creation in 1960 has been nothing but trouble, it is high time for Ethiopia and Kenya to END this trouble.

Lamadage your "NFD" and "ogaden" somali irredentist agenda is one good reason for Ethiopia and Kenya to break u somalis into two pieces and take over it for once and for all.

Mr. Donald continue to push leaders in Ethiopia and Kenya so that we can realize your great idea in the near future, somalia is nothing but trouble.

10/05/08 @ 12:46

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

habeshaw, thank you dear. I am doing it all for Ethiopia.

10/05/08 @ 12:49

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

Arabizm was spread by the diabloic turkish ottoman emire. The somalis, sudanese and north africans are all victim of the diabolic turkish ottoman empire. A turkish devil named mohamed shemsedin megalomatis has been advocating for the destruction of Ethiopia. The turkish devil mohamed shemsedin now lives in alexandria egypt. Because Ethiopians DEFEATED the turks mohamed shemsedin hates Ethiopia with a passion. I say bring it on mohamed shemsedin, we will whoop your behind once again.

10/05/08 @ 12:59

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

Mesganaw, being an arab is not only the skin color or the hair type of an arab but the mentality of a person. For example take sudan, they look like an African but they eat, think and live like an arab. The sudanese even wear jelebia the white robe saudi men wear. Yes the topic is about somali but somlais suffer from an arab mentality also, it is not only sudanese. In 1991 "eritrea" too fall into the trpas of arabs. The egyptian butros butros ghali who was secretary general at the UN in the early 1990s did everything he can to break away "eritrea" and made it an arab. I remember that I saw the arabic alphabet and a golden CAMEL on the "eritrean" passport in the early 1990s. On some arabized world map I have also seen arabia, north Africa, sudan, djibouti and soamlia included into the arab fold.

Being an arab is not just a religion, but a culture a society with an arabized mentality.

Finaly I urge you all you read this article is clearly shows even the mentality of ONLF leaders. Under "His personality" shekh ibrahim yearned for arab unity.

http://www.ogaden.com/stanza250608.htm

The ONLF leader sheikh ibrahim recently passed away in Abu Dhai, UAE.

10/05/08 @ 13:23

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

Janet, the south eastern province of Ethiopia is known as Harerghe. It is somalis and some anti Ethiopian medias that call Harerghe as "ogaden". "ogaden" is a small clan of the nomadic people in the area. Egypt broke away "eritrea" and made it an arab. Now they want the destruction of Ethiopia to control the Nile river. Once Ethiopia gets a popular government Egypt has to be dealt with and taught an unforgetable lesson. Egypt had been and still is biting the hand/Ethiopia that feeds her. Egypt is just a barren desert with no rain, egypt depends on the Ethiopian Nile for its livelihood, instead of being thankful for Ethiopia for lettign them use the Nile free of chrge for thousands of years Egypt had been and still is ploting against Ethiopia.

10/05/08 @ 13:31

Comment from: Mr Calm [Visitor]

This has got to be the most ridiculous idea i have heard in ages
sounds more ridiculous then when Meles Zenawi said ethiopia will be a middle income country in 20 years.
Lets get some facts straight I am and Ethiopian I did african studies and learnt alot about somalia.
1. Somnalia was the only country that fought Britain in its conquest of Africa Britain had to use its Air force in 1919 to put down the somalis the first time in history airforce was used properly by the British even then it took them 9 month to gain control only through a treaty signed with somali Elders.
2. Somali people are very assertive and hard fighting people 1998-2000 border war around 30% of Ethioian troops were of somali ethnicity...who won that war Eritrea or Ethiopia hmm i wonder
3. Ethiopia and Kenya do not have the neccessary capabilities to annex somalia, if they decided to do so it will only unite the somali people
4. according to certain document somali people are becoming more united since Meles and troops decided to stick their nose in somalia's affairs even people from the breakaway somaliland region are flocking to south somalia to fight ethiopian troopa.

My best advice is us True ethiopian should leave somalia, secure our boarders and focus on developing our homeland. We have our own problems to deal with

NAZRET PLZ DISPLAY THIS ALL ETHIOPIAN NEED TO SEE THIS

10/05/08 @ 13:39

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

The doctor, unlike your name your statement is plain stupid. Ethiopia is an ancient oldest indepenedent country in the African continent. Long before the european devil arrived Ethiopia had its own written alphabets ancient buildings, churches, mosques and history. Ethiopia as a significant holy land is mentioned in the Bible more than 40 times, Ethiopia is also mentioned in the Quran. Ethiopia is much more than your twisted brain is thiniking.

As for democratic governance in Ethiopia and Kenya, the people of the two countrires are yearning for it, it will be realized in the near future. The bottom line is, somalia since it's fabriction in 1960 has been nothing but trouble.

During the 1977 somali invasion of Ethiopia, arabs openly sent soldeirs and figheter pilots in support of somalia. I remember dead arab soldiers and jihadists in Harerghe in the late 1970s killed by the Ethiopian army and airforce. somalis to this day harbor their irrdentist agenda. So Ethiopia and Kenya have multiple reason to take over somlaia and make the region peaceful thus denying a place to the likes of terrorists like colonel/sheikh hassan dahir aweys.

The doctor, I wonder who "east Africans" are, the word "east Africa" is usualy used by shabia/eritreans aka arab puppets who fall into the hands of the egyptian butros butros ghali in 1991.

The doctor, yes unity is strength, power, develoopment and all that but there are states in the African continent that are arabized and used to attack other African nations. Egypt have interest on the Nile river thus have supported everything anti Ethiopia so far. Ethiopians and Kenyans who suffered from the egyptian plots must counter it thus taking over somalia is an excellent choice.

10/05/08 @ 13:49

Comment from: lubumbashi [Visitor]

This guy has had a lot of vuvu when he wrote that ridiculous article. I think its the other way round. Somalis as the business people of Africa will take over that part of the continent not through guns but through money.They already control a lot of businesses in Kenya. Without government they already have the fastest broadband in Africa most sophisticated mobile network,cheapest calls etc.

10/05/08 @ 15:47

Comment from: abdi [Visitor]

Mr. Donald your idea has already created a lot of confusion among the Somalis and Kenyans living worldwide. I think someone hired you to write this fantasy after they assessed your hatred feelings. I am also surpried that the Daily Nation has published an article which damages public order and law like this one. I assume that they have some sinester agenda behind this idea. However, I assure you that the Somali people are more united than before and are vigilent and prepared to defend their country. We have seen the Ethiopian aggression and its results but we have never predicted that people from Kenya would think like you Mr. Donald. You have to write another article in which you are apologizing what you have wrote in order to repair the damaged it had created among the two brother people.. Somalia and Kenya.

10/05/08 @ 19:04

Comment from: Ali roble [Visitor]

Ahmed aka Eshete Dedeb the Baria

To the despicable and cyber garaffiti artist of so-called AHMED: Nazret.com isn't physical wall you can paint all over the night again and again. It is an eyesore and very annoying the some infantile message repeatedly. Pppl got across your farts. Are you under cocaine influence or something? Did you eat and sleep last few days or you stoned on the same spot. My brotherly suggestion is get some help and see psycho therapist or whomever soon. In the meantime, keep your old pseudo name. Even if you change names the smell of your farts won change and that exposes.

Keep your shame.

Keep the peace!

10/05/08 @ 22:39

Comment from: abuzayd [Visitor]

Now, you guys are just funny here. How do you plan to implement the plans of this large nose negro. Forget Somalia, Meles can't even control Mogadishu. But you know what, I wish you would get your dreams because all you would give us more justifications to come to addis and Nairobi to take your women as our concubines. Oh, I forget, we've already taken over Nairobi, we just don't have the guns yet. And as for Addis, than we'll probably let the Eritrean brethrens take care of it as they have more rights to it.

As for this Mr. Donald--by the way I wonder how he got that name---then he is asleep for sure because he is day-dreaming about what his masters, the british taught him in the school. Negro, you come to Somalia, you will be plowing my farms without a cost. So, I suggest, you stay in your little hut and keep your mouth shut.

10/06/08 @ 00:13

Comment from: habeshawu [Visitor]

Mr Calm [Visitor]

we are capable of reading your desperate comment and make our own judgment about wither you are ethiopian or not. you didn't have to say it. any body can say I am ethiopian on this site, but it's the volume of your comment or lack of it that speaks loud. but I can assure you , there is no such thing as anti-ethiopian, ETHIOPIAN.

ohhh, another thing, you also said you studied african studies. well, that really depends on where you you studied, if you have studied at all, and I wouldn't be surprised if your version of Ethiopian history is from Egypt lectured by the so called Prof. Dr. Muhammad Shamsaddin Megalommatis. that is where eritreans get their version of ethiopian history! :!:

10/06/08 @ 02:29

Comment from: Go Jam [Visitor]

Ahmed:

You mentioned about "mohamed shemsedin"

This crazy with big identity crises man is a shit. This man is born in Greek and grown up in a strict Christian country with high standard of human value(Greek). But he as a human remain became a victim of it. As we see some Muslim youths in Western Europe and elsewhere tht are very angry in the name of religion, he was grown up the same way in Greek hating Christians/non Muslims.

He has no a Greek identity where he was born and grown up. He has no a Turkish identity despite his ancestors are Turkish and he wanted to inherent that identity. A crazy man like him with evil sprit doesn’t care about anything but hates peace, respect, love and good things.

That is why he got a place to stay in Egypt that Egypt is looking this Type of individuals to attack Ethiopia with hate feeling. Egypt, which is a daughter of Ethiopia, is using her mother's precious wealth (water) for free ever since. Ethiopian water is the only reason and resources to the creation, rise and flourish of the Egyptian (African) civilization. Remember, those don't look as Africans in Egypt most of them came after the pharaohs. Most of them are Turkish, Syrians, Italians, Arabs and the likes. They are not the descendent of those created the Egyptian civilization. They immigrated During Roman invasion of Africa, During the Arab invasion of Africa (after Mohammed) and during the evil Ottoman Empire that took 500 years.

So, this evil thing (mohamed shemsedin) is hired by Egypt to write fiction stories about the Ethiopian people in order to cause civil conflicts that would stop development in Ethiopia and guarantee the flow of the Nile to Egypt.

We are not living in the last millennium. We are not living in the last centuries. We are living in our time. The rule of the game has changed. Egypt and other Arabs playing dirty games against Ethiopia the same way as they have done in the past, will be answered by Ethiopia the right way. If they don't want the situation be solved in a peaceful and right way with constructive talk and respect, they will be victims, not us.

So, don't give any attention to that evil “mohamed shemsedin” who has identity crises and hate towards Christians. He is just a hateful man trying to write a fiction story thinking that would become a history as many did in the past, changing history with false story. Don’t give him any attention including the negative one making him as a big evil too. He is just a valueless insect selling his humanity for hate against Ethiopia/Christians.

I feel sorry to Egypt again and again trying to hurt Ethiopia as usual using evil methods, while there are many other options to use in order both of us could benefit in the short as long as long run. But they don’t get it. They think only hate, killing, force and the likes would give them what they want as it was working for them in the past including spreading Islam this way. But they don’t get it that the situation is totally different than it was in the past.

10/06/08 @ 04:21

Comment from: VISITOR [Visitor]

Ahmed ,DREAMER in RAGS,

I am not eritrean but an ethiopian, and as one i care more for what is done for ethiopians that for eritreans or somalians or what have you.

Ethiopia built schools or universities in eritrea? I don't care. I want to see those in ETHIOPIA.
So woyannes should leave Somalia and spend the little money we produce for ethiopians.

We are tired to pay for the day dreams of our foolish leaders!!

የራሷ አርሮባት የሰው ታማስላለች አለ ያገሬ ሰው::

10/06/08 @ 10:58

Comment from: The Doctor [Visitor]

Dear "Ahmed" it's intresting to read your article so full of pride.

You talk about the riches of ancient ethiopia like it was the centre of the world. Sure it's mentioned in the bible and the koran, but the bible mentions many other nations and also doesn't mention others (USA, Japan, etc) are you saying there is a correlation between being mentioned in the bible and greatness - if yes then you must be an illogical religious nut and there's no point continuing this dialoge.

If ethiopia was so great why was it naked when europeans came? why was it defeated so easily by the italians? and why did the GREAT emperor run away to beg at the UN while being taunted and ridiculed by italian journalists present like he was some kind of animal?

If you want to learn about great civilisations read about the Roman empire, the renaissance, great thinkers like Aristotle and Plato, acient China, Imperial Japan, the Ottman empire. they should be proud of their past.

You however, come from a land were people romed naked, not thinking about tomorrow.

So what if there was an aphabet and
there were buildings?
what do these prove?

the only reason they were given special treatment was because they were christians thus considered usefull for a time.

Listen to me. the only reason Kenya and Ethiopia exist is because they get stunch backing from the west. who do you think trains your comedy armies or buys you thoes second hand tanks?

Somalia will only be invaded when REAL natons in the west feels it appropriate - not when gangster pupet presidents decide.

wake up and smell your coffe!!!

10/06/08 @ 11:23

Comment from: Menelik Ambessa [Visitor]

Ethiopia is already 55% Muslim and 45% Christian. (Already Ethiopia christian we are minority)

If Somalia is to join Ethiopia it would make Ethiopia 70% Muslim and 30% Christian.

How many of the Amhara/Tigre can live with that? Already we are mad that Muslim are majority and we are trying to keep it a secret - now this will boost the Oromo struggle - say goodbye to Amharic as official language! The dream of Tewodros, Yohannes, Haile Selaise and Menelik would be over!

One man told me one time we should unite Eritrea with Ethiopia because Eritrea christian population would make Ethiopia 50% Christian and not 45%.

10/06/08 @ 12:00

Comment from: ZXAmiche [Visitor]

Ahmed the psycho:

Stop smoking the 3000 years old bango that cost you your "Imperial majesty," This attitude of yours, whish is endangering the very existance of your ownself, is denying you to see things real and clearly.

Fool, this attitude and daydreaming of yours has caused Ethiopia lose, not only Eritreans with the highest work ethics, but also the sea ports that it could have used in good faith. Now you're pushing for something more disaster, total disintegration.

watch out for the similarity of the frog story which exploded in its attempt to be big, just like an oxen.

ras saiTena gutena!
lib inKirt yimegnal!

10/06/08 @ 12:53

Comment from: Great _Somalia [Visitor]

AHMED I THINK YOU ARE LOVE CHILD, AM I RIGHT? , WHO ALLOWED YOU TO TALK ABOUT SOMALI FAIRS , I TELL YOU ARE LOVE CHILD AND LIKE YOU CANNOT TALK ABOUT SUCH A GREAT NATION (SOMALIA) , SO KEEP QUITE I KNEW YOU ARE STUPID GUY.

10/06/08 @ 12:58

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

abdi, Mr. Donald have no reasone to appologize. Ethiopia and Kenya have every reason to share somalia.

Mr. Donald, promote your great idea so that it will become reality in the near future.

10/06/08 @ 14:59

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

Ali roble ante ye arab kit lash tinb shabia neh.

It is good my comment irritated you, a shermuta like yourself gives me good reason to do even more.

Burn in hell shermuta!!!

10/06/08 @ 15:53

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

abuzayd, you can be emiotional about your worthless somalia that has been nothing but a mess, Mr. Donalds idea is a great one that every sane Ethiopian and Kenyan must uphold.

10/06/08 @ 15:57

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

habeshawu and Go Jam you are great Ethiopians, keep up the good work.

10/06/08 @ 16:07

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

visitor, "eritrea" is Ethiopian province, just because EPLF and TPLF sold it to egyptian butros butros ghali does not mean it will stay an arab forever.

visitor as a typical short sighted person you do not understand the somali issue. somalia since its creation have been time and again used by egyptians/arabs to attack Ethiopia.

Every foresighted Ethiopian and Kenyan upholds Mr. Donalds great idea. As they say what goes around comes around, Ethiopia should never wait for terrorists with irredentist agenda like hassan dahir aweys to take power.

10/06/08 @ 16:14

Comment from: tola [Visitor]

We are coming to get you somali get ready to be slaves again lol

10/06/08 @ 16:38

Comment from: Reality [Visitor]

Ahmed AKA Amtataw be Ketema,
It must be your day off from that low paying job OR your PC must be on auto reply mode…. Look the number of your stupid responses. No sane person will try respond for every comment posted here!!
You Said:
"Ethiopia is 70% Orthodox Cheristian, Muslims are 25% and the rest are animist and protestant"
Really? Who was doing the counting? Must be you and your Abune at Amist Kilo! He is the only one who keeps repeating those exaggerated numbers like you to incite violence and hatred among peace loving neighbors!!!
So, in which percentage you belong to?
Amtataw, you fuzzy math do not Add up!!!!!!!
The more your open your big mouth distorting facts the more it stinks! Please do not insult our intelligence
We know who you really are no matter which nick you try to hold on to. You seem to have multiple personality disorder! Why don't come out of your rat hole admit who you are. Then we might suggest a cure for your illness.

Poor you!

10/06/08 @ 16:38

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

The doctor, indeed being mentioned in those ancient holy books is a greatness and sacred only the religious will understand. Those who are pagan and worship shiny material things usualy fail to understand it.

The doctor, I feel sorry for a pagan like you, you are with out no doubt one of those people who do a lot of immoral things who still retian the european title called "Dr." You might as well see yourself as a God.

The doctor, Ethiopians as I mentioned earlier built all that ancient civilization, Ethiopians accepted Christianity or Islam long long before Euroopeans. By that time europans were savages and cave man. When europeans came for invasion and robbery Ethiopians were already civilized. It seems like you are brainwashed by western media.

To your surprise the european civilization is the last one in the world. Take a good look at europe you will not find anything ancient with the exception of few southern parts that was colonizes by arabs.

The doctor, italy was defeated by Ethiopia three times, the Battle of ADWA that encouraged not only Africans but people of the world that were colonized by the european devil speaks for itself.

King Haileselassie went to the league of nations to let them know of the destruction the devil mussolini caused. mussolini was mad that his italy was DEFEATED at the battle of ADWA and once before that. He used mustard gas and all that he can to subjugate Ethiopia but as usual Ethiopians fougth against the european devil. Finaly, his own people sprayed bullets on mussolini and his wife and hanged him up side down.

The doctor, now you sound more like a slave "eritrean" who worship the diabolic catholic church. As I mentined above, southern europe was colonized by arabs. Europeans were savages and cave men. Read the atrocities the ctholic churh worshiper mussolini caused in Ethiopia, it is one that equates a devil.

Ancient China I admire, "ottoman turkish empire was diabolic that so many atrocities and destruction around the world. I am teaching an unforgetable lesson here.

As for aristotle and plato, Ethiopia had many thinkers, great writers, painters etc like YARED.

I came from a holy land that started wearing clothes built ancient buildings wrote books retained their own alphabet etc thousands of years ago, when europeans your gods were savages and cave men.

I am proud to be Ethiopian. Your nonsensical and stupid comment only boldens it.

Alphabets and ancient buildings prove the sophistication and civilization of Ethiopia long long before europe.

Listen Ethiopia lived for thousands of years before "the west" even came to the picture. Ethiopia and Kenya wil continue to live long, the western support you mentioned is negligible, you confused Ethiopia with egypt.

Soamlia is ruled by Ethiopia since 2006, I say get out of disney land, perhpas you will come back to reality.

10/06/08 @ 16:39

Comment from: Reality [Visitor]

In the 21st century civilized nations talk about Union between equal nations, European Union, North American union, etc… while retards with small brain from poor nations still talk about “annexation” or the swallowing of their neighbors by force.

Sad!

10/06/08 @ 16:44

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

Menelik Ambesa, Ethiopia is 70% Christian Orthodox, 25% Muslim and the rest are traditional etc.

Menelik Ambesa, who told you the majority of oromos are muslim? You must be day dreaming. With teh exception of those in the Bale area majority Oromos are Christian.

Menelik Ambesa, your statement is totaly childish and may I add stupid, one that is expected from a BIG BABY.

10/06/08 @ 16:44

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

zxamiche aka the italian and arab boot licker. You are brainwashed by the likes of isayas afework. Your so-called independence or may I say butros butros ghalis slavery cost a lot, thousands of eritreans even lost their lives with anger after realizing EPLFs diabolics drama in the early 1990s.

"eritreans" don't have wotk ethic it is the italian catholic church that begs for cat food in europe to feed your people. Tshe sick 70,000 sheep that your god isayas received from australia in 2004 will not be forgotten as well. By the way many other countries refused those sheeps.

Mr. Donalds idea is great, zxamiche, you have lost your Africanness, your wallow between the italian and arab mindset that was injected in you.

I will pray for you.

10/06/08 @ 16:53

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

great somalia, somalia is not great it was fabricated in 1960 and collapsed in 1991 only three decades later despite your one language and onle religion "homogenous" claims

10/06/08 @ 16:57

Comment from: mohamed [Visitor]

annexing and dividing somalia is a call for balkanization of horn of africa

as the piracy of the somali coast took a new and dangerous turn with the hijacking of a ship carrying t-72 tanks, rocket-propelled grenades and other ammunition destined for southern sudan, a kenyan lawyer had the audacity to call neighboring kenya and ethiopia to annex the hapless country and divide it between them as a final solution for the somali problem.

in his opinion article carried by kenya’s daily nation, mr. donald kipkorir, who is an advocate of the kenyan high court, argued annexing somalia was the strategic interest for kenya, viewing it as the only way to stop kenya’s tourism industry from teetering towards destruction.

but what mr.kipkorir sees as a strategic interest is a strategic miscalculation for disaster which will not only bring the destruction of kenya and ethiopia but will usher in an era of balkanization in the entire region of the horn of africa.

mr.kipkorir forgets that kenya and ethiopia are tribal mine fields that are waiting to be triggered and his call for the annexation of somalia is only what it needs to start genocides in kenya and ethiopia. One has to remember the recent election crisis in kenya and how the country stood on the brink of ethnic fragmentation. kenya has more than 42 ethnic groups, speaking more than 62 languages and adhering to various of languages and different religions. the summer 2008 ereligious affiliations while ethiopia has about 118 ethnic groups with almost similar number thnic strife resulting from the presidential election crisis had exposed the fragility of the kenyan peace and stability and the degree of hatred and hostility among the kenyan tribes. the scenes of machete-wielding mobs slaughtering their neighbors and looting shops reminded the world of the horrors of ruwanda. these were just symbolic of how ugly a tribal strife can turn in kenya if something disturbs the elusive patchwork of loose tribal confederation called kenya.

mr.kipkorir also seems to have forgotten that despite its current problems, somalia is the only homogenous country in africa. somalis are one ethnic group who speak the same language and adhere to the same religion. they may look divisive and anarchic in their internal skirmishes on the country’s meager resources but they have history of quickly clinging together when they face a common foreign threat.

remember mr.kipkorir, it is these people that you call rag-tag army of semi naked men that stood against the british and italian armies for 20 years in one of the longest drawn out african rebellions against foreign occupation. it was the dervish movement led by the somali hero mohammed abdulla hassan, known in history as the mad mulla, the derogative name given to him by the british, that the royal army failed to defeat until it used military aircraft against them in the first aerial bombardment ever used by a european power in africa, even before the italian air bombardment of libya.

it was the same rag-tag bedouin army led by another somali hero ahmad ibn ibrahim al-ghazi (c1507-1543), who conquered much of Ethiopia; prompting vanquished ethiopian emperor lebna dengel (reigned 1508–40) to appeal to portugal for help. by then, the imam, known as gran or guray, left-handed, marched all the way to the province of tigray where he defeated an ethiopian army that confronted him there, and on reaching axum destroyed the church of Our lady mary of zion in which the ethiopian emperors were coronated for centuries.

http://wardheernews.com/articles_06/Jan/28_akbar's%20somalia%20notebook_bgoth.htm

it is the same rag-tag army of semi naked men that forced the american army to flee from mogadishu after the black hawk down battle. despite its gruesome history which we somalis are not proud of, it showed the grit and the mettle of the somali people when they are forced into a corner.

now, mr.kipkorir if you really want to invite these modern mongols to kenya to turn nairobi into ruins, then you better know what you are calling for. invading somalia will not be a piece of cake as you tried to portray it and the somali legislatures in nairobi will not be easy to walk over. the moment the first kenyan bullet is shot inside somalia, nairobi will explode and the kenyan patchwork will fall apart. and god knows how many kenyan mini-states will emerge from the ashes. and this is not a thing that i wish for my kenyan brothers. i am proud of what they have achieved until now because unlike mr. kipkorir, i pride myself in the progress made by any african country, let alone my neighbors.

contrary to your argument mr.kipkorir, somalia was not a lawless state until 1960 and if you are not aware, somalia was the first country in africa where an elected civilian president was replaced in a democratic election in 1967. aden abdulla othman was the first african president to hand over the reins of power to his successor abdirashid ali sharmarke when kenya was languishing under one-man rule. somalia was not a haven for terrorists and pirates as you tried to paint it but as you know somalia had the strongest and best disciplined army in the 70s. it was somalia that negotiated a peace deal between the neighboring countries of nyerere’s tanzania and idi amin’s uganda.

you must know mr.kipkorir that with the exception of mogadishu every other town in the somali region whether it is in somaliland, puntland, baidoa or even kismayo at the border of kenya have better degree of security than your cosmopolitan nairobi. in hargeisa for example like any other town of former somalia, women sell gold in the open market and leave it without any guard at times of prayer without anyone stealing it, while in nairobi people are killed for the watches they wear and the mobile phones they carry in bright day light.

it is true that we have problems in our country and that due to a strange amalgam of tribal and alien ideological factors, somalis cannot make reconciliation among themselves but by the same token one cannot deny the ingenuity of the somali people in creating business and managing to prosper amid calamity. the bustling business the somali community has established in addis's and nairobi’s eastleigh area is something that should invoke a sense of pride in you as an african and not enrage you. it may also be worth mentioning that over the past difficult 18 years, the somali people have founded more airlines than they ever had, created more schools and universities that any african country has and built some of the most beautiful hotels and bungalows in the peaceful parts of the country.

10/06/08 @ 17:12

Comment from: mohamed [Visitor]

mr.kipkorir, it would have more becoming of you as an african intellectual to call for united horn of african countries where the brotherly countries of the region can share their resources and face the challenges of globalization, rising oil prices and crumbling financial markets as a common front instead of calling for the colonization of africans by africans. this is exactly what djibouti, that little African country that you tried to trash in your article, is doing by attracting hitherto unprecedented international investment for one of the dream projects of africa; which is to link africa to arabia with a bridge across the red sea. this is what I call strategic thinking my african brother and not mobilizing your forces to blunder your suffering african neighbors.

i am not sure whether you are intentionally trying to reopen the old wounds of the division of the somali people by the colonial powers and test the resolve of the somali people to reviving their dream of greater somalia, but if that is your intention then rest assured brother that unlike you somalis know that in the 21st century they would be in a better shape to have greater africa than greater somalia

10/06/08 @ 17:15

Comment from: Reality [Visitor]

Nazret,please post this unless you are Amtataw himself.

Ahmed AKA Amtataw be Ketema,
It must be your day off from that low paying job OR your PC must be on auto reply mode…. Look the number of your stupid responses. No sane person will try respond for every comment posted here!!
You Said:
"Ethiopia is 70% Orthodox Cheristian, Muslims are 25% and the rest are animist and protestant"
Really? Who was doing the counting? Must be you and your friends at Amist Kilo! There are the only one who keeps repeating those exaggerated numbers like you to incite violence and hatred among peace loving neighbors!!!
So, in which percentage you belong to?
Amtataw, you fuzzy math do not Add up!!!!!!!
The more your open big mouth distorting facts the more it stinks! Please do not insult our intelligence
We know who you are no matter which nick you try to hold on to. You seem to have multiple personality disorder! Why don't come out of your rat hole admit who you really are. Then we might suggest a cure for your illness. Poor you

10/06/08 @ 17:57

Comment from: Reality [Visitor]

It makes you wonder why Nazret can post Ahmed AKA Amtataw's 1001 diatribe in it's entirety but afraid to post any reply post to question his validity...unless concourse he is hmmmmm...one of them!

10/06/08 @ 18:12

Comment from: visitor [Visitor]

Ahmed,

The shortsighteness i will take with pleasure.
In a country in permanent crisis like Ethiopia,
you must feal the urgency to SAVE what can be saved.It is 'visionaries' like you that leads us to recurrent famine by spending million dollars for your tchat driven hallucinations
of 'greatness'.

Your sentence about terrorists taking over Somalia is even more funny.Do you realize that you are not mimicking Americans, the wealthiest people ever while you belong to the poorest of the poor?

wake up and drop the tchat!

10/07/08 @ 06:02

Comment from: Great _Somalia [Visitor]

You stupid guy called Ahmed i told you before shut your dirty moth other wise i will shut my self.

10/07/08 @ 08:43

Comment from: Wadani [Visitor]

Axmed,

Here I Disagreed about the Somalia Ethiopians and I think you're bias and against about Ogadani because of ONLF is mainly from that Ogaden tribes,so U not telling the truth about the majority's of the Somalis in the regions and its bias and simply hater of Ogaden clan ppls when you lied purposely and hide their majority's of Kilil Somalis.
By the way,whether you like it ONLF or not,for your INFO:theres new rebels called MJSWLF(Muslim jihads Somali western liberations front),whom basically a coalitions of non Somali Ogadenis started fights in the regions.

The formations of this religious groups,is the products of Meles religious cultivations in the regions.non stop bloody Jihad's wars.No So,as whole Ethiopians let us reap the benefits of the beginnings of these unlimited,no objectives and no destinations of Islamics fundamentalist wars,whom came by the calls of woyane from Mogadishu funded by unknown groups and not this time by Eritreans.Let think Mr Ahmed the really threats that we are faced because of these woyane leaders calls I believe the religious groups poured in our country through the southern regions of Ogaden and Oroms and already started their religious wars.

These is a new threat that we are facing now.So,lets us think about this new threat Ahmed,instead of playing the Soccer against Somalia,Kenya and Gena bisaw teams,which so far,your Ethiopian teams led by you Ahmed scored many goals over there,the dangerous Somali Jihad's teams started scoring in Ogaden regions capturing the Bargoon towns killed Ethiopians soldiers and captured the leaders of that twon in Gode zoon of Kilil 5, Ogaden Somali regions

Let me add this:ONLF and this group don't like each other and recently they had few clashed between them.

10/07/08 @ 12:58

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

mohamed wrote, but what mr.kipkorir sees as a strategic interest is a strategic miscalculation for disaster which will not only bring the destruction of kenya and ethiopia but will usher in an era of balkanization in the entire region of the horn of africa.

mohamed, Mr. Donald does not have no miscalculation at all. Ethiopia and Kenya must share somalia so that the entire region will be peaceful and an arab puppet like colonel/sheikh hassan dahir awesy will have no ground.

mohamed, Kenya and Ethiopia are not tribal mine fields. Yes there was some conflict in Kenya but the leaders decided to share power in the best interest of the country. Now all is well. You also claimed somalis are homogenous but somalia is a good example that being homogenous wil not save you from killing each other. somalia did not have any form of government since 1991. Look at how arab puppets attack the internationaly recognized TFG. It is time for Ethiopia and Kenya to share somalia.

"it was the same rag-tag bedouin army led by another somali hero ahmad ibn ibrahim al-ghazi (c1507-1543), who conquered much of Ethiopia; prompting vanquished ethiopian emperor lebna dengel (reigned 1508–40)"

FALSE

ahmed gragn ahmed the left handed is Ethiopian from south east Ethiopia that was a puppet to the diabolic turkish ottoman empire.

All Ethiopia and Kenya have to do is decide to share it then sharing somalia will be a cake walk indeed!!

10/07/08 @ 13:39

Comment from: Abune Petros -Ahunim -Bandan yawgzu -Hilinan Yigeztu [Visitor]

mohamed [Visitor] said

"... by then, the imam, known as gran or guray, left-handed, marched all the way to the province of tigray where he defeated an ethiopian army that confronted him there, and on reaching axum destroyed the church of Our lady mary of zion in which the ethiopian emperors were coronated for centuries......"

Mohamed, you only forget to tell us, that your "imam" was the running mad dog of the Ottoman Turkish Empire. And the way you wright of destroying house of God from this mad slave of Ottomans sounds, as if you are sorry, that Ethiopians did not destroy house of Allah in your village.

Are you sure by the way, that GRAGN was a Somali? There are legendaries, that tell, that he was a son of an Ethiopian priester.

Priester or not Priester, You can at least try to manner like a civilized person. You are not damnend to stay for ever as a wild ...., you know what i mean !!!! And by the way, your "strongest and best disciplined army in the 70s." was simply the army of the cold war, be led first by the sowjets and later on by the USA. This army disapeared in that moment the cold war was ended. That this days war lords "army", or what so ever they are, are production of that little mad man, who is "relative" of me, Isayas are, is well known to every one on this earth.

And please, if you want to answer me, be diciplined, since i realy hate wild animals, who seem to be happy for destroying human kinds work.

And that portugal came to help Ethiopia shoud not surprise you. Portugal was afraid, that Ottoman overrun the whole world, so they had to face those Ottomans on the Abyssinian Highlands and kill the running mad dog on the spot.

10/07/08 @ 14:23

Comment from: Halgame [Visitor]

To defeat and silence the ignorant, uncivilized and inhuman hate mongers, war mongers, and fascistic "Beast-man" barbarians such as the author of this hate and anti-Cushitic article and his idifferent peoples, and to bring a lasting peace, security, development, and prosperity to our oppressed peoples and lands, I suggest the following:

The noble, proud, cultured, and intrepid Cushitic peoples of the Horn of Africa and East Africa regions must unite to defeat our centuries old enemies and to liberate our oppressed and colonized peoples and territories, and let us:

1. Found an international organization similar to the World Jewish Council in order to advocate for the sovereign rights, public and national interests, and human rights of our peoples, wherever they may reside.

2. Convene a Grand Cushitic Peoples Reconciliation Conference (GCPRC) to sort out and settle our minor differences and to reconcile and unite our peoples, and to come up with a common cause, liberation strategy, objectives and goals.

3. Put in place a united political, economical, social, and military machinery in order to liberate our peoples and territories or nation-states, once and for all, and

4. After liberation, let us form a Cushitic Union (CU) similar to the European Union (EU).

I believe that is all, we need to defeat our centuries old fascistic enemies, oppressors, and colonizers of our peoples and lands.

So let our people and lands suffer no more and begin to work towards this noble and just cause.

10/07/08 @ 17:50

Comment from: Ahmed [Visitor]

mohamed, somalias army of the 1970s you refered to is a result of Soviet Union and Cuba, Soviets and Cuba armed somalia from 1969-1977. 1977-1991, somalia was armed by USA, ofcourse the arab suport to somalia is always there.

mohamed, if Ethiopia and Kenya shares somalia, some somalis will become Ethiopians and some somalis will become Kenyan. Ethiopia and Kenya after their decision will destroy warlords and mad mullahs like hassan dahir awesy thus reducing egyptian/arab influence in the region. If somalia is shared by Ethiopia and Kenya somalis will benefit from it. somalis will finaly get peace and eventualy prosper.

10/07/08 @ 18:42

Comment from: robel [Visitor]

It is a good idea. Because there is no ather solution. Somalia shoud be wiped out from the map & divided between Kenia & Ethiopia. If Menghistu was in power that was a reality. But Ethiopia must give a lesson to troubler maker Eritrea first.

10/08/08 @ 06:51

Comment from: owr kaba xidhan [Visitor]

loooooooool what a crzy idea,i'm sure it will never happen stop barking,but god forbid if it does happen i'm sure all somali people will choose ethiopia north south east west wich means the kenyans whos lands is not enough for its people will keep hacking and burning each other for pice of land. as a somalilanders and somalis general we never lay down our gurd always on the watch out all somali people knew this funny plan long a go. :no: