Here is the truth about Museveni.........................
Judy Miriga
Diaspora Spokesperson
Executive Director
Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc.,
USA
http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com
Diaspora Spokesperson
Executive Director
Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc.,
USA
http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com
Gen David Sejusa (Tinyefunza): I will resist Museveni by all means
Published on Jun 19, 2013
Gen David Sejusa, who is now perhaps the harshest critic of President Museveni in London, told the BBC in an interview yesterday that he would resist the Museveni presidency “by all means necessary.”
Sejusa on BBC focus On Africa 18/06/2013
Gen David Sejusa said he will resist Museveni's presidency by "all means necessary"
Gen David Sejusa, who is now perhaps the harshest critic of President Museveni in London, told the BBC in an interview yesterday that he would resist the Museveni presidency “by all means necessary.”
Sejusa, who sounded angry, said Article 3 of the Ugandan constitution says anyone who abrogates, subverts or in any way threatens the supreme law should be resisted by all means necessary.
Sejusa, formerly coordinator of the country’s Intelligence Services, fled to the United Kingdom in April after demanding a probe into an alleged plot to eliminate senior government leaders opposed to the so-called “Brig Kainerugaba Muhoozi project” or possible presidency.
But the Executive Director of the Uganda Media Centre, Ofwono Opondo, who joined the BBC show as soon as Sejusa departed, accused Sejusa of mischief.
“The fact that he has run to London implies he has other mischief...If he chooses other means, perhaps unconstitutional (means), it’s at that point that the government will deal with Sejusa. Government has the capacity and the machinery, the will and the popular support of the people.”
Sejusa told BCC that he and others are beginning “to discuss other options,” arguing that it does not matter whether Museveni clings to power himself or through his son.
Commenting about the future of Uganda, Sejusa said: “We are beginning to have a new narrative in the country. We are beginning to discuss other options.”
He asked rhetorically: “who gave Museveni the right to rule over us forever? How many presidents have you heard of who are impeached in the middle of their terms?”
Sejusa said if he can apply the constitutional provision to get rid of Museveni’s government and his ‘unconstitutional project’, so be it.
Asked whether he harboured presidential ambitions, Sejusa responded: “A four-star general without ambition is in a wrong place.”
Earlier on, Sejusa said succession should not be personalised and should be taken away from Museveni’s son, Brig Muhoozi Kainerugaba.
“Really the son is a tiny factor. The central issue is a political monarchy. It’s a terribly common African story. There is nothing strange about it,” said Sejusa.
He added that once “a system is decadent and perverse,” the people who have been in power for 30 years start playing God.
When the host of BCC Focus on Africa programme, Paul Bakibinga, asked Sejusa why he had served the ‘decadent’ regime for decades, Sejusa responded, “this is the point of saying enough is enough.”
Sejusa further said that like many others, he could not speak out about the injustices because of the restrictions within the army.
Sejusa further said that like many others, he could not speak out about the injustices because of the restrictions within the army.
“Because in a system you are never allowed to live, you are virtually a captive…. Assimilation without rejection, it’s a very dangerous process.”
When asked by the host whether the UPDF institution is now professional, Sejusa said the president had undermined that process.
“We are never released from the army. We are clogged up with old men. In Uganda we have what is called katebe (state of being without deployment for long). He is using it as a political weapon,” he said.
Sejusa added that the president had subdued other state institutions, which should have checked the regime’s excesses. He also said that Uganda’s economy is in a tailspin with a superficial private sector and middle class.
But Ofwono Opondo described Sejusa’s accusations as empty.
“[Gen Sejusa] has been a prolific high-handed officer holding many people to ransom,” he said.
The publicist added that Gen Sejusa is free to return to the country if he is not a coward because he enjoys immunity as a Member of Parliament and he will be protected by the courts of law.
+16#3Lakwena2013-06-19 09:43
Shameless Ofwono Opondo, never say never; it was through mischief that the NRM leadership came to power. And it is also true that it is through mischief that the NRM leadership continues to cling to power.
Opondo, the measure you give is the measure you get! Gen Sejusa is a graduate of NRM mischief, so that the mischief the NRM taught him, is the mischief he wants to use to resist the father of mischief (M7) and/or access power- My God bless the mischievous in their mischief.
QuoteOpondo, the measure you give is the measure you get! Gen Sejusa is a graduate of NRM mischief, so that the mischief the NRM taught him, is the mischief he wants to use to resist the father of mischief (M7) and/or access power- My God bless the mischievous in their mischief.
0#5anthony mirembe2013-06-19 10:08
Life is short and fleeting,that does not mean that we should dig small holes and fix our heads in them, these are earthly things, very true,but one man,sect,religi on, ethnic,should not dominate at the expence of others,we are better than that,thats what our president fought for,and thats what Gen Sejusa whats to struggle or is asking for,i think its a good cause,and Mr.OO, it's not like you are blind, non of us are,but change has got to start some where and stop somewhere,
i guess Mr Museveni's promised Vision and change has run it's course.peace peace peace,do not use people to fight your wars,unless they bring peace justice for all,all eaqually all.do your thing gen,in the law and God bless you with a benovelont heart,or curse you with funny same motives of unjust ruling.
Quotei guess Mr Museveni's promised Vision and change has run it's course.peace peace peace,do not use people to fight your wars,unless they bring peace justice for all,all eaqually all.do your thing gen,in the law and God bless you with a benovelont heart,or curse you with funny same motives of unjust ruling.
-24#6arthur2013-06-19 10:37
sejusa you joined a "wrong" institution,sto p complaining that in army you cant be be allowed to talk so you know it that your going against the law of the institution you have served for 30yrs.
it will continue to haunt you because now your a fugitive,dissid ent and a renegade.
Quoteit will continue to haunt you because now your a fugitive,dissid ent and a renegade.
-20#7Jill Monney2013-06-19 10:50
This is the worst possible news at the worst possible time. The Japanese have just committed to investing USD $32 BILLION in Africa, but NOT ONE PENNY will come to Uganda if there is political and armed unrest.
NO country has ever profited financially or economically from armed uprising, only the leaders come out on top of the resulting mess. If Mr. Sejusa genuinely wishes to help his country, then let him call for passive, peaceful opposition to brutality, and not justify armed opposition.
Ugandan police and army members are your sons, your brothers, your family. They MUST remain united with the population, and resist all orders that involve armed retaliation or brutality in any way.
Only by peacefully resolving the political future of the country, can Ugandans hope to share in a profitable, comfortable, economically stable future. Outsiders are anxious to help, but if Ugandans fight among themselves, all the money and economic development will go to other African countries.
QuoteNO country has ever profited financially or economically from armed uprising, only the leaders come out on top of the resulting mess. If Mr. Sejusa genuinely wishes to help his country, then let him call for passive, peaceful opposition to brutality, and not justify armed opposition.
Ugandan police and army members are your sons, your brothers, your family. They MUST remain united with the population, and resist all orders that involve armed retaliation or brutality in any way.
Only by peacefully resolving the political future of the country, can Ugandans hope to share in a profitable, comfortable, economically stable future. Outsiders are anxious to help, but if Ugandans fight among themselves, all the money and economic development will go to other African countries.
-2#8BIDA2013-06-19 10:55
If regime change is to come, let it come but not from the likes of Sejusa and all his ilk. Sejusa, Muntu, Besigye, et al are all cut from the same cloth and this nation needs no angry disgruntled men who have run from the same system they pretend to desire a replacement for: we need fresh faces with fresh ideas that are not self righteous, that do not think the nation owes them for going to the bush.
We need non military men who shall leave the army out of local politics for bigger politics like fighting Egypt which wants to steal our water.
QuoteWe need non military men who shall leave the army out of local politics for bigger politics like fighting Egypt which wants to steal our water.
+28#10Odong2013-06-19 11:11
Anyone with the right thinking mind and attached to reality out there should applaud Men like Him, Besigye, Muntu etc. they should be called heroes,they are so courageous in the face of this brutal dictator yet many both civilians and army men and women can't even come out to say anything.
Take a deep reflection of how long the guy has been in power!, then the speeches he makes, repeating himself, empty promises, to name but a few. anyone with a heart for his country must be crying for it at heart. who do you think will rescue us?, Activists including bishops have tried, gotten arrested, but still no hope.
I have come to believe that this guy is not a Ugandan, no wonder he went to Rwanda and called Ugandans corrupt, Look Kenya's economy was almost similar to ours, now its 5 times, Ugandans, rise and support these men irrespective of their past and move this country forward for the future of our kids
QuoteTake a deep reflection of how long the guy has been in power!, then the speeches he makes, repeating himself, empty promises, to name but a few. anyone with a heart for his country must be crying for it at heart. who do you think will rescue us?, Activists including bishops have tried, gotten arrested, but still no hope.
I have come to believe that this guy is not a Ugandan, no wonder he went to Rwanda and called Ugandans corrupt, Look Kenya's economy was almost similar to ours, now its 5 times, Ugandans, rise and support these men irrespective of their past and move this country forward for the future of our kids
+23#11Senyonjo Alex2013-06-19 11:14
Mr. Ofwono Opondo must have received a direction of what to say. He is among those per pets in public offices, one of the major nuisance we have in Uganda.
Gen Sejusa who at no small time been Museveni's right hand man in the army should be knowing all plots and tactics that the man in the hot seat uses..I will continue counting him brave.
QuoteGen Sejusa who at no small time been Museveni's right hand man in the army should be knowing all plots and tactics that the man in the hot seat uses..I will continue counting him brave.
+16#12Ugthinker2013-06-19 11:34
It's just unthinkable that such important matters that are pertinent to the future of our country are discussed by such casual people like Ofwono Opondo.
Whether Sejusa is at fault or not here, someone worth their name would atleast cast government more responsibly. Does our President ever care about the image of his government anymore?
QuoteWhether Sejusa is at fault or not here, someone worth their name would atleast cast government more responsibly. Does our President ever care about the image of his government anymore?
+17#13Paul2013-06-19 11:54
No doubt Sejusa has a point but his approach is rather selfish and will not succeed. What he says is well known and has been said by the likes of Besigye.
It seems he is only willing to support removal of Museveni if he is the next president. He should know better that that is not how to fight a liberation struggle. Let him concentrate on exposing Museveni's lies to the masses especially the villagers who ignorantly worship him like a god.
The process of deciding who should replace Museveni will come later in a democratic process otherwise we wouldn't want to replace one dictator with another future dictator.
QuoteIt seems he is only willing to support removal of Museveni if he is the next president. He should know better that that is not how to fight a liberation struggle. Let him concentrate on exposing Museveni's lies to the masses especially the villagers who ignorantly worship him like a god.
The process of deciding who should replace Museveni will come later in a democratic process otherwise we wouldn't want to replace one dictator with another future dictator.
+9#16isaac b2013-06-19 12:23
dear Mr. Tinye,
you kept feeding the tiger and now when it has turned on you, you want us to join you. i will watch from the side and if you defeat the tiger i will thank you but should the tiger eat you i will not shed one tear..
as for you Mr. Observer, publishing articles about Gen....is forbidden. what if they turn your office into a crime scene to look for this article/letter. STAND WARNED, STAND ADVISED.
Quoteyou kept feeding the tiger and now when it has turned on you, you want us to join you. i will watch from the side and if you defeat the tiger i will thank you but should the tiger eat you i will not shed one tear..
as for you Mr. Observer, publishing articles about Gen....is forbidden. what if they turn your office into a crime scene to look for this article/letter. STAND WARNED, STAND ADVISED.
+6#17Lakwena2013-06-19 12:37
Quoting Jill Monney:
Jill Monney is either an NRM diversionary soothsayer or simply being naive.
However much money is pumped into the economy by donor countries like Japan; but without a minimum level of honesty or morality of the leadership, a country like Uganda will neither be united nor developed.
Jill Monney and think alike, must be afraid! Because the NRM leadership is disgracefully dishonest and does not listen: he shouldn't be surprised if what they call progress through grand theft is torn down within the next few months, if not a year.
Quote... The Japanese have just committed to investing USD $32 BILLION in Africa, but NOT ONE PENNY will come to Uganda if there is political and armed unrest. ... but if Ugandans fight among themselves, all the money and economic development will go to other African countries.
Jill Monney is either an NRM diversionary soothsayer or simply being naive.
However much money is pumped into the economy by donor countries like Japan; but without a minimum level of honesty or morality of the leadership, a country like Uganda will neither be united nor developed.
Jill Monney and think alike, must be afraid! Because the NRM leadership is disgracefully dishonest and does not listen: he shouldn't be surprised if what they call progress through grand theft is torn down within the next few months, if not a year.
+9#18Lakwena2013-06-19 12:38
This is not an empty threat but the inevitable double effects of the natural law, which says: if you do well you will accepted, but if you don not do well, sin is knocking at your door; its desire is for you (destroy)!
Ask Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein or any past tyrant, from their whereabouts graves.
QuoteAsk Gaddafi and Saddam Hussein or any past tyrant, from their whereabouts graves.
-4#19Jill Monney2013-06-19 12:53
If Ugandans proceed with political strife, I like many other potential business investors will regretfully stay out. If Mr. Sejusa wishes to run for President, then he must do so in a free and fair election.
If Mr. Museveni's son wishes to stand for President, then likewise let him do so in a free and fair election (although in his position, I would wait a term or two). If the police and the army have resorted to violence, let their families remind them that as Ugandans, their duty is to the public and not to any political figure.
ANY VIOLENCE will scare off outside investors. We would love to see the Ugandan economy take off and even surpass that of Kenya (although cooperation is always good). Violence brings disaster. Mr. Museveni is not young, may he soon take a dignified, honoured and well-respected retirement and encourage the peaceful handover to a new President. You don't see bloodshed over politics in the US, Canada or other successful countries. You don't need it here.
QuoteIf Mr. Museveni's son wishes to stand for President, then likewise let him do so in a free and fair election (although in his position, I would wait a term or two). If the police and the army have resorted to violence, let their families remind them that as Ugandans, their duty is to the public and not to any political figure.
ANY VIOLENCE will scare off outside investors. We would love to see the Ugandan economy take off and even surpass that of Kenya (although cooperation is always good). Violence brings disaster. Mr. Museveni is not young, may he soon take a dignified, honoured and well-respected retirement and encourage the peaceful handover to a new President. You don't see bloodshed over politics in the US, Canada or other successful countries. You don't need it here.
All along I knew Gen Sejusa was behind Col Besigye's struggle to get rid of NRM Gov't. Gen Sejusa's utterances are a clear manifestation of what Col Besigye says, "I have overwhelming Support in the UPDF". All we need is Change
+4#21Philip2013-06-19 13:55
Jill, if you want peace, prepare for war. As Abraham Lincoln once said, "The tree of liberty will be constantly nourished by the blood of tyrants and patriots".
The reason countries invest a lot of money in the military is because they know that you don't necessarily have to look for war, war can look for you.
Philip
QuoteThe reason countries invest a lot of money in the military is because they know that you don't necessarily have to look for war, war can look for you.
Philip
+3#22Philip2013-06-19 14:01
Bida, your reasoning is skewed. There is no way you can plan to fight Egypt when you still unresolved internal contradictions.
If anything, after solving the contradictions you might find that you don't need to fight Egypt or any other country for that matter. By the way, you should join the army and help defend your country against "bigger things"; you're Ugandan after-all.
QuoteIf anything, after solving the contradictions you might find that you don't need to fight Egypt or any other country for that matter. By the way, you should join the army and help defend your country against "bigger things"; you're Ugandan after-all.
+4#24Twebaka2013-06-19 14:36
"The publicist added that Gen Sejusa is free to return to the country if he is not a coward because he enjoys immunity as a Member of Parliament and he will be protected by the courts of law."
REALLY!!!See what is happening with the Rebel MPs after their conscience decided to go against the party agenda!!
Mr Opondo, WE ARE AWAKE!!Ne kawa wali just in case!!
QuoteREALLY!!!See what is happening with the Rebel MPs after their conscience decided to go against the party agenda!!
Mr Opondo, WE ARE AWAKE!!Ne kawa wali just in case!!
-6#26Jill Monney2013-06-19 14:55
If Ugandans proceed with political strife, I like many other potential business investors will regretfully stay out. If Mr. Sejusa wishes to run for President, then he must do so in a free and fair election.
If Mr. Museveni's son wishes to stand for President, then likewise let him do so in a free and fair election (although in his position, I would wait a term or two). If the police and the army have resorted to violence, let their families remind them that as Ugandans, their duty is to the public and not to any political figure.
ANY VIOLENCE will scare off outside investors. We would love to see the Ugandan economy take off as it has in China and India. Mr. Museveni is not young, may he soon take a dignified, honoured and well-respected retirement and encourage the peaceful handover to a new President as did Nelson Mandela. You don't see bloodshed over politics in the US, Canada or other successful countries. You don't need it here.
QuoteIf Mr. Museveni's son wishes to stand for President, then likewise let him do so in a free and fair election (although in his position, I would wait a term or two). If the police and the army have resorted to violence, let their families remind them that as Ugandans, their duty is to the public and not to any political figure.
ANY VIOLENCE will scare off outside investors. We would love to see the Ugandan economy take off as it has in China and India. Mr. Museveni is not young, may he soon take a dignified, honoured and well-respected retirement and encourage the peaceful handover to a new President as did Nelson Mandela. You don't see bloodshed over politics in the US, Canada or other successful countries. You don't need it here.
-2#27MUKUNDANE MATSIKO2013-06-19 14:56
For Gen Sejusa to say he will use all means to reject Museveni is laughable in a democratic setting we are enjoying today, to the extent of quoting our constitution.
i hear he started his tacticts way back in the bush. if succeeding Museveni is the issue, then Sejusa shouldn't even try. They are in the same age group as his mentor turned enemy.
Quotei hear he started his tacticts way back in the bush. if succeeding Museveni is the issue, then Sejusa shouldn't even try. They are in the same age group as his mentor turned enemy.
+5#28ssesangacode862013-06-19 15:04
Those castigating ssejusa just amuse me, but anyway that's what they think. However i just hope for a day when serious Ugandans will wake up to rally behind a particular force so tha we cleanse our nation of the evil in m7 eating up our beloved motherland.
It would make no meaning who leads the force as long as the target is m7. Yes it is m7 and not the demoractic system, or elections or ...Uganda's problem is m7.
QuoteIt would make no meaning who leads the force as long as the target is m7. Yes it is m7 and not the demoractic system, or elections or ...Uganda's problem is m7.
+4#29John Ssekimpi2013-06-19 15:10
Its funny we are fighting a war of words. Segusa is the person who was against Dr. Besigye protest against he even went a head to take over the courts of justice.
Now he is seeking public help on such issues. Imagine what will Dr. Besigye say when he reads this story.
QuoteNow he is seeking public help on such issues. Imagine what will Dr. Besigye say when he reads this story.
+4#30Juma Kato2013-06-19 15:17
So far , it seems like everybody has got it wrong on Museveni`s master plan . I would bet that Museveni plans to make sure that his son and his son`s trusted friends and causins all in charge of all armed forces.
As soon as Muhoozi becomes the boss of he army , Museveni will retire and will care less who becomes President . For more than 40 years , Museveni has believed and said that whoever controlls the army controlls the Presidency . Ironically , he is not the only one who thinks so .
If somebody else become President next month , that President would most definately try shuffle up things within the armed forces which might cause tensions as the case was with Binaisa. Museveni`s plan is to ensure that the next President will be less powerfull than the army - which army will still remote controlled by Him via the Son and the Holy Ghost.
QuoteAs soon as Muhoozi becomes the boss of he army , Museveni will retire and will care less who becomes President . For more than 40 years , Museveni has believed and said that whoever controlls the army controlls the Presidency . Ironically , he is not the only one who thinks so .
If somebody else become President next month , that President would most definately try shuffle up things within the armed forces which might cause tensions as the case was with Binaisa. Museveni`s plan is to ensure that the next President will be less powerfull than the army - which army will still remote controlled by Him via the Son and the Holy Ghost.
+2#31ali2013-06-19 15:25
Mugisha Muntu seems to be focused on developing the country & hope to change the government in the process. On the other hand this guy Tinye & Besigye are more focused on overthrowing Museveni, whether they succeed or not we are not guaranteed to have a better country.
can they not make a direct contribution however small to the good of the nation. You see guys like Opondo & just think of a word pathetic...If everyone is this selfish why should Museveni not be!?
Quotecan they not make a direct contribution however small to the good of the nation. You see guys like Opondo & just think of a word pathetic...If everyone is this selfish why should Museveni not be!?
-3#34Jill Monney2013-06-19 16:04
Hello Lakwena, actually I am Swiss Canadian considering Ugandan investments for others. (Like a decent train line between Kampala and Dar es Salaam for your natural resources) I quite agree, your government MUST be transparent and honest.
But you CANNOT change your government through violence. This will turn away all investors for years. The Norwegians put up a passive resistance to the Nazi occupation. India was transformed by Ghandi's pacifist message. Uganda, and Africa, MUST reach a point where political change is not synonymous with bloodshed.
The only investors who do not care about violence are those who will also not care about the average Ugandan, and you don’t need that.
QuoteBut you CANNOT change your government through violence. This will turn away all investors for years. The Norwegians put up a passive resistance to the Nazi occupation. India was transformed by Ghandi's pacifist message. Uganda, and Africa, MUST reach a point where political change is not synonymous with bloodshed.
The only investors who do not care about violence are those who will also not care about the average Ugandan, and you don’t need that.
+3#36Freddie Itaza2013-06-19 16:16
If M7 has committed sins, he has not been alone. You and many others were not only part but also architects of the goings-on.
Sejusa before you are declared a saint, hero, etc - tell us your role in Mukura massacre, Black Mamba siege of the courts, Northern war, etc.
Just wondering why you are jumping ship now and you expect us to side with you. If M7 has been in power for long, it has been with your unfailing support - maybe you had hopes of replacing him. Now that you see no chance - you want us to believe that you have been a lone angel in the system you propped.
Get serious Sejusa. Ugandans are not that gullible.
You are simply suffering from "Muhoozimania". Ask Besigye and Muntu at what age they attained their ranks.
QuoteSejusa before you are declared a saint, hero, etc - tell us your role in Mukura massacre, Black Mamba siege of the courts, Northern war, etc.
Just wondering why you are jumping ship now and you expect us to side with you. If M7 has been in power for long, it has been with your unfailing support - maybe you had hopes of replacing him. Now that you see no chance - you want us to believe that you have been a lone angel in the system you propped.
Get serious Sejusa. Ugandans are not that gullible.
You are simply suffering from "Muhoozimania". Ask Besigye and Muntu at what age they attained their ranks.
+2#37Naluswata2013-06-19 16:49
Gen. Tinye aka Sejusa is a ruthless, but fair and just man. That is what makes him more tick. Unlike the Salehs and a host of other M7 "generals", he is not subservient to M7 or anybody; he is not a thief or corrupt for that matter. He is not from a deprived background and thus not greedy and materially wanting. These are words you can take to the bank!
He is surely, a man that would rather die on his feet than live on his knees and M7 knows that real well. We can only pray and wish Tinye the best the almighty God can do for him and his countrymen.
QuoteHe is surely, a man that would rather die on his feet than live on his knees and M7 knows that real well. We can only pray and wish Tinye the best the almighty God can do for him and his countrymen.
+3#38Naluswata2013-06-19 17:11
Now that Gen. Tinye has started real talking to the international audiences and governments, the mighty generals in Kampala who have made a fortune not only looting the State coffers, but trafficking in drugs and money laundering abroad should get very worried.
Soon you might here the FBI investigating the drug barons/ generals as it happened in Guinea and Latin America (General Ortega). Some people might not go to the ICC, but will surely end up in American prisons aka Federal Penitentiary for drugs, racketeering or gun running.
Tinye has all the incriminating evidence against these plunders and drug cartels. I am also looking forward to Tinye telling us what killed Brigadier Mayombo, etc dies now that such government reports went missing.
Just watch the space!!!
QuoteSoon you might here the FBI investigating the drug barons/ generals as it happened in Guinea and Latin America (General Ortega). Some people might not go to the ICC, but will surely end up in American prisons aka Federal Penitentiary for drugs, racketeering or gun running.
Tinye has all the incriminating evidence against these plunders and drug cartels. I am also looking forward to Tinye telling us what killed Brigadier Mayombo, etc dies now that such government reports went missing.
Just watch the space!!!
+1#39sseremba alex2013-06-19 17:36
koota pin egendamu na nyonddo era evaamu na nyoddo.its time for some people to pass through the tanuulu.it has taken Gen sejusa over 20 years to know how ambitious he is!!!!.
its not too late,provided right means are followed.for mr opondo youre case is a different one this is is not uchumi where u unshamingly decided to forcefully take away from the owner,remember that tha amunitions your boosting of may be used against you
Quoteits not too late,provided right means are followed.for mr opondo youre case is a different one this is is not uchumi where u unshamingly decided to forcefully take away from the owner,remember that tha amunitions your boosting of may be used against you
-1#42njabulo2013-06-19 19:41
[quote name="ali"]Mugisha Muntu seems to be focused on developing the country & hope to change the government in the process. On the other hand this guy Tinye & Besigye are more focused on overthrowing Museveni, whether they succeed or not we are not guaranteed to have a better country.]
Is removing Museveni after 27 years not synonymous with developing the country? M& himself said leaders over staying in power is Africa's principal problem. Is his regime not proving him right? How can his continued stay in power advance any development?
Experiences in other corrupt countries e.g. Angola show that all approved and successful projects in such a country have silent shareholders and earn super rents such a free land to compensate for the non-productive silent shareholders. These silent shareholders therefore hinder development by making investment and goods expensive to the detriment of the state.
QuoteIs removing Museveni after 27 years not synonymous with developing the country? M& himself said leaders over staying in power is Africa's principal problem. Is his regime not proving him right? How can his continued stay in power advance any development?
Experiences in other corrupt countries e.g. Angola show that all approved and successful projects in such a country have silent shareholders and earn super rents such a free land to compensate for the non-productive silent shareholders. These silent shareholders therefore hinder development by making investment and goods expensive to the detriment of the state.
+5#43njabulo2013-06-19 19:53
[quote name="Jill Monney"]If Ugandans proceed with political strife, I like many other potential business investors will regretfully stay out. If Mr. Sejusa wishes to run for President, then he must do so in a free and fair election.)
Then stay out! Investors like who prize profit above liberty are part of the problem. You have truly sold your souls for the love of money. If you were a well meaning investor, perhaps your first port of call should be to your government.
You should ask them why they are not pressuring for a peaceful transition in Uganda. People only resort to political violence for 2 reasons. 1. greed for power or 2 desperation for liberty and equality.
I posit that in Uganda's case it will be for the later. We know all too well the horrors of the former. Your plea for an opportunity to profit in the face of glaring abuses is shallow and suggests a lack of foresight in your investment. I bet you will lose your shirt.
QuoteThen stay out! Investors like who prize profit above liberty are part of the problem. You have truly sold your souls for the love of money. If you were a well meaning investor, perhaps your first port of call should be to your government.
You should ask them why they are not pressuring for a peaceful transition in Uganda. People only resort to political violence for 2 reasons. 1. greed for power or 2 desperation for liberty and equality.
I posit that in Uganda's case it will be for the later. We know all too well the horrors of the former. Your plea for an opportunity to profit in the face of glaring abuses is shallow and suggests a lack of foresight in your investment. I bet you will lose your shirt.
+2#44Betty Long Cap2013-06-19 20:46
Quoting njabulo:
Agreed, njabulo. Good business depends on good government; corrupt government depends on donors. With sinking global economies, the DICTATOR's days at the helm are coming to an end.
QuoteYour plea for an opportunity to profit in the face of glaring abuses is shallow and suggests a lack of foresight in your investment. I bet you will lose your shirt.
Agreed, njabulo. Good business depends on good government; corrupt government depends on donors. With sinking global economies, the DICTATOR's days at the helm are coming to an end.
-1#45DAVID2013-06-19 21:29
Tinyefuza is both militarily and politically expendable (read expired goods). The poor dude should stop dreaming that he'll tilt the balance of power in his favor whilst ranting and raving from the UK.
First, he's still regarded as a serving military officer who shouldn't poke his nose in partisan politics. That's in case he's going to form a political party.
As for the military option, i would regard him as a resident of cuckoo land if he ever resorted to it because it would be as good as signing his own death warrant
QuoteFirst, he's still regarded as a serving military officer who shouldn't poke his nose in partisan politics. That's in case he's going to form a political party.
As for the military option, i would regard him as a resident of cuckoo land if he ever resorted to it because it would be as good as signing his own death warrant
+1#46Jill Monney2013-06-19 23:12
Mr. Njabulo, I have just given a large sum of money to a school with orphans in Uganda. Like others, I am likely to lose my position due to the financial crisis, but I care enough to share anyway.
Please do not assume that I put profit before Liberty (although sadly certain Mzungu have been like that in the past). That is an easy and entirely false assumption.
My point is, that if you wish Liberty, it is entirely unnecessary to gain it with a gun. You've already tried that.
How many times do you need to make the same mistake?
Recipe for success: ask for help at the international level. Ask the Japanese to politely suggest to your President that it is time he did spent more time at home. You think it doesn't work? Look at that idiot leading North Korea.
As soon as the Chinese made clear to him that he had overstepped the bounds (at Obama's request) he shut up and got back in line. Check your news feeds. Ask the Scandinavians, they are very often helpful. (cont'd)
QuotePlease do not assume that I put profit before Liberty (although sadly certain Mzungu have been like that in the past). That is an easy and entirely false assumption.
My point is, that if you wish Liberty, it is entirely unnecessary to gain it with a gun. You've already tried that.
How many times do you need to make the same mistake?
Recipe for success: ask for help at the international level. Ask the Japanese to politely suggest to your President that it is time he did spent more time at home. You think it doesn't work? Look at that idiot leading North Korea.
As soon as the Chinese made clear to him that he had overstepped the bounds (at Obama's request) he shut up and got back in line. Check your news feeds. Ask the Scandinavians, they are very often helpful. (cont'd)
0#47Jill Monney2013-06-19 23:19
2) I would like to say, ask the Canadians for help but sadly they have a complete fool for a Prime Minister (in my opinion) at the moment so it will have to wait until after the next elections (about 3-4 years).
Note that I do not mention shooting him. He may be a fool, but the voters are quite capable of voting him out of office without violence, it is a waiting game. Ask Mr. Obama, he has an interest in Africa, and NO interest in seeing the area burst in violence. Diplomatic pressure (and occassionally sanctions) can work wonders.
QuoteNote that I do not mention shooting him. He may be a fool, but the voters are quite capable of voting him out of office without violence, it is a waiting game. Ask Mr. Obama, he has an interest in Africa, and NO interest in seeing the area burst in violence. Diplomatic pressure (and occassionally sanctions) can work wonders.
0#48Jill Monney2013-06-19 23:22
3)If however you are with Mr. Sejusa, and it is HIS desire to shoot his way into power with a complete disregard for the safety and happiness of Ugandans, then this forum is indeed an EXCELLENT thing.
I doubt other Ugandans want to share your vision of future poverty so Mr. Sejusa can feel important. All readers please pass on these threads to warn the population. Nothing stops Mr. Sejusa from running for office, but in a legal, peaceful manner. And ladies, you are particularly important.
It is your men, your sons, your husbands, who make up the army and police force. If the army and police are committing offenses, YOU must remind them of their duty as Ugandans, which is NOT to supporting a budding dictator, but to maintaining peace in the land. If your leader cannot count on the support of his army and his police, he will quickly decide that retirement looks pretty good.
QuoteI doubt other Ugandans want to share your vision of future poverty so Mr. Sejusa can feel important. All readers please pass on these threads to warn the population. Nothing stops Mr. Sejusa from running for office, but in a legal, peaceful manner. And ladies, you are particularly important.
It is your men, your sons, your husbands, who make up the army and police force. If the army and police are committing offenses, YOU must remind them of their duty as Ugandans, which is NOT to supporting a budding dictator, but to maintaining peace in the land. If your leader cannot count on the support of his army and his police, he will quickly decide that retirement looks pretty good.
-1#49Jill Monney2013-06-19 23:27
4) I have no interest in seeing a corrupt and unfair government in Uganda, and I encourage all efforts to reduce corruption which, along with political instablity, kills the chance of future progress. My hope is for a peaceful Uganda in which EVERY HOME has a flush toilet, decent sanitary conditions, electricity, running water, and why not a television.
This was an impossible dream for many Europeans only 50 years ago. It is now our reality. We would like it to be YOUR reality, and preferably in less than 50 years. 10 would be nice. Help me help you. And yes, I can tell you how to reach the diplomats if needed. Diplmats can be pretty useless but when faced with endemic violence they can and will move. As witness the North Korean situation.
QuoteThis was an impossible dream for many Europeans only 50 years ago. It is now our reality. We would like it to be YOUR reality, and preferably in less than 50 years. 10 would be nice. Help me help you. And yes, I can tell you how to reach the diplomats if needed. Diplmats can be pretty useless but when faced with endemic violence they can and will move. As witness the North Korean situation.
+1#50Nakasero2013-06-20 00:02
The snake has opened the mouth. The snake who has been hiding behind generals fatigues is in the open, challenging his war comrades and willing to take power by the force of arms backed by foreign powers.
He may try and he will be brought back on the shield, despised by Ugandans as a traitor. Seyza is not the sole exception. There were many Souzas in the past( Peten for instance, Musolini, for example) who were sentenced by their own kind and hanged.
Souzya may be waiting for that destiny.
QuoteHe may try and he will be brought back on the shield, despised by Ugandans as a traitor. Seyza is not the sole exception. There were many Souzas in the past( Peten for instance, Musolini, for example) who were sentenced by their own kind and hanged.
Souzya may be waiting for that destiny.
+4#51Bossman2013-06-20 00:34
Ofwono Opondo "described Sejusa’s accusations as empty."HAHAHA, but he did not back his statement of emptiness. No tangible information to empty his accusations.
It is like being caught stealing under garments and you tell a security guard that the accusations are empty, but the undergarments are in your pocket and you are on video camera. duuuh
QuoteIt is like being caught stealing under garments and you tell a security guard that the accusations are empty, but the undergarments are in your pocket and you are on video camera. duuuh
+1#52Betty Long Cap2013-06-20 00:57
Quoting Jill Monney:
Excellent point, Jill Monney. Once the army and police withdraw support, the DICTATOR falls from the pedestal. He already lost support of the intelligentsia.
QuoteIf your leader cannot count on the support of his army and his police, he will quickly decide that retirement looks pretty good.
Excellent point, Jill Monney. Once the army and police withdraw support, the DICTATOR falls from the pedestal. He already lost support of the intelligentsia.
+1#53Atenyi2013-06-20 03:36
Quoting Jill Monney:
QuoteIf Ugandans proceed with political strife, I like many other potential business investors will regretfully stay out. If Mr. Sejusa wishes to run for President, then he must do so in a free and fair election.
- There are no free and fair elections with the NRM in power.
- Stop being a morally bankrupt slave to foreign money.
- Let's fix our house our way and then
- Build our economy ourselves.
0#54Mweru Samuel Byachi2013-06-20 08:23
I may not agree with Gen. Sejusa but i must support his right to speak out. I recall the words of Mzee Bidandi Sali: "olina abaana? olina kewekoledde? Londa M7". He counseled that if you had kids and had an investment. it was prudent for you to vote for M7. The majority of those who voted oly had one of the two items. Later Bidandi did not vote and stood instead and only few voters recalled he was in the race.
Folks, war drums seem to sounded(governm entt of course sees it as empty talk) and it is here that i like you to look at your children or think about them if they are not in close contact.
Do whatever it takes to ensure that this country continues with the relative peace. While every regime will always have its weaknesses, those inciting others should know the fragile nature we operate in. We dont believe in each other and think along ethnicity.
QuoteFolks, war drums seem to sounded(governm entt of course sees it as empty talk) and it is here that i like you to look at your children or think about them if they are not in close contact.
Do whatever it takes to ensure that this country continues with the relative peace. While every regime will always have its weaknesses, those inciting others should know the fragile nature we operate in. We dont believe in each other and think along ethnicity.
0#55Bonny2013-06-20 10:18
my friend sejusa has never been marginalized,he has held most top positions,he was among the very few officers after the war to be given a rank of a general when ranks were introduced.
(brigadier.Gen) become a member of high command with M7,Otafire,Jim Muhwezi,Saleh,T umwine. His among the few four star GEns.over all coordinator of intelligence organs,etc.what marginalization are you talking about? his just a Gen with ambitions as he said.
Quote(brigadier.Gen) become a member of high command with M7,Otafire,Jim Muhwezi,Saleh,T umwine. His among the few four star GEns.over all coordinator of intelligence organs,etc.what marginalization are you talking about? his just a Gen with ambitions as he said.
0#56ssesangacode862013-06-20 10:37
[quote name="Freddie Itaza"]If M7 has committed sins, he has not been alone. You and many others were not only part but also architects of the goings-on. Sejusa before you are declared a saint, hero, etc - tell us your role in Mukura massacre, Black Mamba siege of the courts, Northern war, etc.
Just wondering why you are jumping ship now and you expect us to side with you. If M7 has been in power for long, it has been with your unfailing support - maybe you had hopes of replacing him. Now that you see no chance - you want us to believe that you have been a lone angel in the system you propped.
Get serious Sejusa. Ugandans are not that gullible.
But your own m7 never explained his involvements in early 1970 through to 1986. much happened mastermined by him, but he is a president today whom you love so much. you sycophants. What should ssejusa explain?? wait when he unleashes your master's dark areas.
QuoteJust wondering why you are jumping ship now and you expect us to side with you. If M7 has been in power for long, it has been with your unfailing support - maybe you had hopes of replacing him. Now that you see no chance - you want us to believe that you have been a lone angel in the system you propped.
Get serious Sejusa. Ugandans are not that gullible.
But your own m7 never explained his involvements in early 1970 through to 1986. much happened mastermined by him, but he is a president today whom you love so much. you sycophants. What should ssejusa explain?? wait when he unleashes your master's dark areas.
+3#57ssesangacode862013-06-20 11:01
this forum simply understands the majority of ugandans predicament than some of you and that's why
I doubt other Ugandans want to share your vision of future poverty so Mr. Sejusa can feel important. All readers please pass on these threads to warn the population. Nothing stops Mr. Sejusa from running for office, but in a legal, peaceful manner. And ladies, you are particularly important.
You may be having a good suggestion but to dispel your doubt, refer to the 2009 buganda demos, and many other happenings that have consquently occured. Ugandans have been made so desperate to find any value for life and it has been m7's design so as to manupulate.
M7s statements alone have been thoroughly examined by many and that has left one single option that may rest the case. it is violence or war. We have tested the democratic transfer only to be demythfied by m7, this has left no hope and alternative for the majority ugandans.
QuoteI doubt other Ugandans want to share your vision of future poverty so Mr. Sejusa can feel important. All readers please pass on these threads to warn the population. Nothing stops Mr. Sejusa from running for office, but in a legal, peaceful manner. And ladies, you are particularly important.
You may be having a good suggestion but to dispel your doubt, refer to the 2009 buganda demos, and many other happenings that have consquently occured. Ugandans have been made so desperate to find any value for life and it has been m7's design so as to manupulate.
M7s statements alone have been thoroughly examined by many and that has left one single option that may rest the case. it is violence or war. We have tested the democratic transfer only to be demythfied by m7, this has left no hope and alternative for the majority ugandans.
+2#58njabulo2013-06-20 11:05
[quote name="Jill Monney"]Mr. Njabulo, I have just given a large sum of money to a school with orphans in Uganda. Like others, I am likely to lose my position due to the financial crisis, but I care enough to share anyway.]
I am sure there are orphanages in canada that would also rejoice in your largesse. The financial crisis in the west suggests that you are only in Africa because you have no investment alternatives.
If you need to be here, you need to respect our aspiration for freedom and prosperity. By 2100 there will be +2.5 billion Africans, sitting on the largest mineral and agricultural resource endowment the world has ever known. We will not allow the continued scavenging of this birthright by the west that colludes with our enslavers to steal it. Remember "the meek shall inherit the earth".
QuoteI am sure there are orphanages in canada that would also rejoice in your largesse. The financial crisis in the west suggests that you are only in Africa because you have no investment alternatives.
If you need to be here, you need to respect our aspiration for freedom and prosperity. By 2100 there will be +2.5 billion Africans, sitting on the largest mineral and agricultural resource endowment the world has ever known. We will not allow the continued scavenging of this birthright by the west that colludes with our enslavers to steal it. Remember "the meek shall inherit the earth".
0#59Betty Long Cap2013-06-20 14:08
Quoting njabulo:
njabulo, how unfair! Jill Monney is a humanitarian not an exploiter. I too thought of a children's home but my project would be no more welcome than Jill's gift. We have many other alternatives.
QuoteI am sure there are orphanages in canada that would also rejoice in your largesse. The financial crisis in the west suggests that you are only in Africa because you have no investment alternatives.
njabulo, how unfair! Jill Monney is a humanitarian not an exploiter. I too thought of a children's home but my project would be no more welcome than Jill's gift. We have many other alternatives.
+2#60ricardo nyanza2013-06-20 15:00
Mr @JILL Monney don't you think all of us have tried hard to send that MSG to Mr museveni over the last 27 years he has been in power?
What have we got in return tear gas, police brutality, and assassinations does that comfort investors for you?
QuoteWhat have we got in return tear gas, police brutality, and assassinations does that comfort investors for you?
#61balwolera alex2013-06-20 15:19
lets pray that this is not a play determined to divert ugandans from the core issues of a straining budget hence giving a chance for thieves continue exercise their talent.
ther is tyme for everything time to be a general for such along period without noticing the mistakes of your master and time to realise them (ugandans are ready for the options!!!!!). my fellow ugandans never forget issues like the opm saga, statehouse useless expenditures etc these are the problems to be tackled first.
Quotether is tyme for everything time to be a general for such along period without noticing the mistakes of your master and time to realise them (ugandans are ready for the options!!!!!). my fellow ugandans never forget issues like the opm saga, statehouse useless expenditures etc these are the problems to be tackled first.
+1#62njabulo2013-06-20 15:35
Quoting Betty Long Cap:
She was touting peace as a precondition to her investment ignoring the fact that peace without freedom is no peace at all. Are we slaves to have idividuals with their bufew dollars talk like USAID?
Calls for peace killed Ken Saro Wiwa and have polluted Ogoni lands as the profits of injustice swelled their coffers. She can give her conditional monies to her country folk. We want liberty and prosperity and she cannot, will not dictate how we earn it.
Quote[quote name="njabulo"] njabulo, how unfair! Jill Monney is a humanitarian not an exploiter. I too thought of a children's home but my project would be no more welcome than Jill's gift. We have many other alternatives.
She was touting peace as a precondition to her investment ignoring the fact that peace without freedom is no peace at all. Are we slaves to have idividuals with their bufew dollars talk like USAID?
Calls for peace killed Ken Saro Wiwa and have polluted Ogoni lands as the profits of injustice swelled their coffers. She can give her conditional monies to her country folk. We want liberty and prosperity and she cannot, will not dictate how we earn it.
0#63Betty Long Cap2013-06-20 16:54
Quoting njabulo:
No good deed will go unpunished. Do you really want white missionaries and white humanitarians to leave sub-Sahara Africa alone to solve its own problems?
This summer I turn seventy and I wanted to leave a legacy that will hold me in good stead on Judgment Day. njabulo makes it clear I will be no more welcome than Jill.
Does njabulo hold the minority opinion or does he speak for the majority that tells us whites STAY OUT.
QuoteShe was touting peace as a precondition to her investment ignoring the fact that peace without freedom is no peace at all. Are we slaves to have individuals with their bufew dollars talk like USAID?
No good deed will go unpunished. Do you really want white missionaries and white humanitarians to leave sub-Sahara Africa alone to solve its own problems?
This summer I turn seventy and I wanted to leave a legacy that will hold me in good stead on Judgment Day. njabulo makes it clear I will be no more welcome than Jill.
Does njabulo hold the minority opinion or does he speak for the majority that tells us whites STAY OUT.
+2#64njabulo2013-06-20 18:11
Quoting Betty Long Cap:
I address a conditional statement on investment. My comments make no mention of skin colour nor do they touch on humanitarian work. They point to Africa's aspiration for liberty in the words of Malcolm X, "by any means necessary".
This does not exclude peaceful means, but we all know that peace is usually only achieved amongst equals and is seldom achieved in a where one party is forcefully subjugated. If this amounts to "whites get out" in your ears, then you have some serious issues that probably deserve your leaving for your own well being.
Quote[quote name="njabulo"] Does njabulo hold the minority opinion or does he speak for the majority that tells us whites STAY OUT.
I address a conditional statement on investment. My comments make no mention of skin colour nor do they touch on humanitarian work. They point to Africa's aspiration for liberty in the words of Malcolm X, "by any means necessary".
This does not exclude peaceful means, but we all know that peace is usually only achieved amongst equals and is seldom achieved in a where one party is forcefully subjugated. If this amounts to "whites get out" in your ears, then you have some serious issues that probably deserve your leaving for your own well being.
0#65wodgot2013-06-20 21:41
I have got no objection to Gen. Tinye's informed decisions. The decisions and the statements he has made,are all very good so far. These are decisions of very clear and good intent. They are what add values to his military Rank of a General.
Tinye is saying that Uganda is a Republic, it's not a family business which should be managed only by the father, wife, son, daughters, cousins,nephews ,uncles, Anties, wakos, brothers, sisters and friends. It's this kind of mentality which's destroying Uganda and that's what Gen.Tiny wants to resist.
QuoteTinye is saying that Uganda is a Republic, it's not a family business which should be managed only by the father, wife, son, daughters, cousins,nephews ,uncles, Anties, wakos, brothers, sisters and friends. It's this kind of mentality which's destroying Uganda and that's what Gen.Tiny wants to resist.
0#66tom mugerwa2013-06-21 05:06
Oh my God!! Uganda does not need the liberation wars the Ssejusas are planning we went through that and thats it!! look at what has happened in Libta Tunisia, Iraq nand now Sryia, Violence breeds violence and Ssejusa should be reminded that they are not the only anointed to rule Uganda, ssejjusa besigye and company belong to the Museveni era which should be home looking after goats and cows as they enjoy the ill gotten wealth after plundering our country for three decades.
Ugandans we must rise up and desist the ssejusa group to reincarnate themselves as our saviors. Ssejusa Besigye etc are no different from their master,and mark my words Tinyefuza will end up like Mande and kyakabale
QuoteUgandans we must rise up and desist the ssejusa group to reincarnate themselves as our saviors. Ssejusa Besigye etc are no different from their master,and mark my words Tinyefuza will end up like Mande and kyakabale
0#68Lakwena2013-06-21 08:08
Quoting Freddie Itaza:
Fredie, be human; forgive and give Sejusa the benefit of doubts. For the man knew not what he was doing.
Even M7 can be forgiven if he softens his neck! Remember the stiff-necked, Zealot Pharisee, Saul who became Paul.
Saul got the 1st Christian Martyr, Steven and others stoned to death; thinking he was defending God's will and the people from apostates like Steven.
But when Saul saw the light while en-route to exterminate the Christians who had fled from his vicious persecution in Jerusalem into Damascus; he repented and became the backbone of Christianity.
QuoteSejusa before you are declared a saint, hero, etc - tell us your role in Mukura massacre, Black Mamba siege of the courts, Northern war, etc.
Just wondering why you are jumping ship now and you expect us to side with you.
Fredie, be human; forgive and give Sejusa the benefit of doubts. For the man knew not what he was doing.
Even M7 can be forgiven if he softens his neck! Remember the stiff-necked, Zealot Pharisee, Saul who became Paul.
Saul got the 1st Christian Martyr, Steven and others stoned to death; thinking he was defending God's will and the people from apostates like Steven.
But when Saul saw the light while en-route to exterminate the Christians who had fled from his vicious persecution in Jerusalem into Damascus; he repented and became the backbone of Christianity.
+1#69Lakwena2013-06-21 08:19
Quoting Naluswata:
Naluswata, you are on the money, which makes me filled with hope that all is not lost: There are some Ugandans whose heads are still out of the sand.
Quote... Soon you might here the FBI investigating the drug barons/ generals as it happened in Guinea and Latin America (General Ortega). Some people might not go to the ICC, but will surely end up in American prisons aka Federal Penitentiary for drugs, racketeering or gun running.
Just watch the space!!!
Naluswata, you are on the money, which makes me filled with hope that all is not lost: There are some Ugandans whose heads are still out of the sand.
Then he went ahead and committed the same crime in a supermarket This is a man who calls Ssejusa a coward?? I wonder whether murder cases have a statute of limitation in Uganda, but I hope one day Mr. Opondo is charged for murder so that the victims family gets some justice.