On Sunday, November 10, 2013 8:40 AM,
Judy Miriga............. wrote:
Gentlemen and Good People of the World,
The case has to be determined since they are known those who bribed the witnesses, and if worse come to the worse, they will not accept to die alone, because the CC Judge from Germany is an interested party. You dont expect him to be on the side of victims and justice.
Justice is a right for all and all must play by the same set of rules. Justice delayed is justice denied.......and Judge Peter Kaul of Germany in this case is biased and has twisted head because he is an interested party.
The fact remain that people were killed because the crimes committed during the 2007/08 were organized steadily and surely and they are crimes against humanity.The system and methodology was Political Engineering which targeted some community to marginalization, extinct, eradicate and exterminate people from their occupation of lucrative land some politically correct and their Corporate Special Business Interest network want.The interested parties Organized these crimes to kill and exterminate innocent people causing them to subject to extreme extra-judicial killings, environmental pollution, pushing and subjecting people to serious abject poverty, pain and sufferings; and denying people rights to respect, honor, virtue, value and dignified life, with employment done on discriminative manner on tribal basis and pushing the rest majority to organized unemployment to face horrible and inhuman poverty situation without care………and these are Grave Crimes against humanity which violates, disrupts and destroys livelihood and survival.They equally conforms to abuses of peoples security and freedom, peace and happiness.
Judge Hans-Peter Kaul belong to their own world who own their thought of definition and terminology befitting their beliefs on the Kenyan ICC Hague cases, that to him, are not Grave Crimes against Humanity; and in the same context, is foreign and does not conform to the laws of Kenya.
Well, people must fight harder for justice to prevail………if not, a repeat of the same is in the offing……..and like others too will have their say and because of the stolen public wealth and resources, the politically correct are wielding power to disorganize peoples power where the Government shall have no say except the mighty and powerful.It is for this reason why people themselves must unite to fight the hardest and the world will be on their side to demand for justice.
It is time that all people with good intention unite, fight hardest and save Kenya and Africa from injustices, joblessness, poverty, pain and sufferings…………People must not quit from demanding their rights, even if life is threatened and the going gets harder and only one person is left, keep on fighting for justice. The fruits of a good fightendures for ever and,God in His own Mercy shall rewards us all for the good fight according to the riches of His Glory.
Judy Miriga
Diaspora Spokesperson
Executive Director
Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc.,
USA
http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com
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Sunday, November 10, 2013
Diaspora Spokesperson
Executive Director
Confederation Council Foundation for Africa Inc.,
USA
http://socioeconomicforum50.blogspot.com
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Sunday, November 10, 2013
New York Times supports ICC cases against Uhuru Kenyatta, William Ruto
PHOTO | EMMANUEL DUNAND | FILE People walk by the entrance to The New York Times in New York on March 8, 2011. AFP
In Summary
- The AU has opposed President Kenyatta’s trial at The Hague
- Times acknowledges lack of investigations of crimes in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria
By KEVIN J. KELLEY
New York
Charges of racism against the International Criminal Court are "specious," the New York Times declared in an editorial on Sunday. (EXTERNAL LINK: NYT: Kenya and the International Criminal Court)
The Times, considered one of the most influential newspapers in the United States, said the ICC launched proceedings against President Kenyatta and Deputy President Ruto "because Kenyans refused to initiate their own process to ensure accountability for the victims of the violence that followed the 2007 election."
The Times traced the steps that led to the filing of charges in The Hague.
It noted the involvement of former UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan and the establishment of a Kenyan commission of inquiry that called for creation of a special tribunal to adjudicate crimes committed in the aftermath of the election.
"After the Kenyan Parliament twice rejected proposals to create a tribunal, the case went to the ICC prosecutor," the Times recounted.
FLAWED COURT
The editorial acknowledged that "there are indeed real questions about why charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity have not been pressed elsewhere — in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria."
"While the court may be flawed," the Times added, "it is the last resort to deliver justice for victims of conflict in countries that lack the capacity or will to do so themselves."
Noting the African Union's accusation that the ICC is targeting Africans, the newspaper suggested that what the AU "should have focused on, and applauded, is that the court is also defending Africans, including the 1,100 Kenyans slaughtered in 2007-8."
The AU has opposed President Kenyatta’s trial at The Hague. Except for Botswana, all presidents, prime ministers and representatives of government at an extraordinary summit in Addis Ababa in October appended their signature to the resolution. (READ: Western powers face ICC dilemma)
The ICC prosecutor, Ms Fatou Bensouda, has opposed the trial of President Kenyatta in Kenya — warning it would trigger mass protests by his supporters.
“The prosecution (has) expressed concern about the ongoing campaign to rally members of the public against the ICC and derail the Kenyatta case,” she says. “The prosecution stated that it does not discount the risk that if portions of the trial were held in Kenya or Tanzania, demonstrations against the court could interrupt or intentionally delay the proceedings.”
MPs, on the other hand, have in the past lobbied for Kenya's withdrawal from the Rome Statute, although such a pull-out would have little impact on the cases.
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Face ICC judges, leaders tell Uhuru as president seeks global support
Updated Saturday, November 9th 2013 at 21:38 GMT +3
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| President Uhuru Kenyatta |
President Uhuru’s challengers in the March 4 presidential race want him to proceed to The Hague to face his accusers and save the country a possible backlash from the international community.
In separate interviews with The Standard on Sunday, former Prime Minister Raila Odinga and running mate former Vice President Kalonzo Musyoka led those who sought the presidency in the March poll in appealing to the President to honour his date at the ICC.
Raila, Kalonzo and Ford-Kenya leader Moses Wetang’ula, who led official opposition, CORD, have taken a common and official position that the ICC should continue to execute the cases against President Kenyatta and his deputy William Ruto.Deferral of the same, acCORDing to the CORD leaders, should be done within the existing framework and that the same should not hurt the common mwananchi, with regard to economic or other embargoes.
Pointing out that in law one is innocent until proven guilty, Kalonzo and Wetang’ula, both lawyers, are urging the President to turn the ICC process to his advantage by going there to clear his name. “Whether or not he will eventually appear before the ICC is the President’s personal decision. But I encourage him to do so and end this persistent stigma of non-compliance. Besides it will help him gain higher moral ground once cleared,” Wetang’ula offers.
Terming the second phase of shuttle diplomacy by the Jubilee administration as an exercise in futility, Kalonzo protests at the misuse of public funds at a time when the country is choking under a myriad financial challenges. “Amid all these, the two (Uhuru and Ruto) have so far exhibited poor governance. The government is churning out all manner of suspect laws, including the punitive media Bill and the one on NGOs attempting to limit foreign funding,” observes Kalonzo.
While the CORD leaders have been diplomatic in urging Kenyatta to go The Hague, their foot soldiers have been rather abrasive. Machakos County senator Johnstone Muthama and his Siaya counterpart James Orengo have particularly told the President and his deputy to clear their names and save Kenya possible embargoes.
Fair trial
But Mukurwe-ini MP Kabando wa Kabando will hear none of it: “The President shouldn’t go. Let’s deal with the consequences. Kenyans shed blood to liberate this country. For a court struggling to gain legitimacy on account of its abysmal track reCORD, having a sitting president in the dock would be a golden catch to fry, if only to shore up its threadbare resume. The president has zero chance of getting a fair trial at The Hague, period. It’s a mistrial,” he said.
The ICC, says Kalonzo, may have negatively impacted the Jubilee Government’s performance: “Some of you were critical of the Kanu regime, but I’m not sure what you would say of the current regime led by disciples of Kanu, who are virtually attempting to take away all the freedoms of the people?”
And Mohamed Dida, the presidential contender who came into the race late but outperformed veteran politicians, says Jubilee leaders now have so much in their hands and engrossed more in saving themselves than running or developing the country. “We were told that choices have consequences and although we dissuaded Kenyans against electing Uhuru-Ruto, with me personally asking them to quit from the race and clear their names first, more than 6 million Kenyans still voted for the pair,” says Dida.
With Uhuru now as Kenya’s President, Dida concedes that the game has changed. The President is now a symbol of the country’s pride and unity, he observes, and everyone must strive to uphold the dignity of Kenya and the political leadership. “However, if he has nothing to hide or fear, I urge the President to appear before the ICC and clear his name. The venue does not matter, whether it is at The Hague or in Kibera Law Courts,” advises Dida.
On a scale of 1-10, Dida gives the Jubilee Administration a mark of 4.72. Uhuru and Ruto, he observes, appeared to have kicked off on a convincing note going by the professional manner in which they nominated members of their Cabinet. But the fire has since died down, he says.
But Narc Kenya leader Martha Karua, was reluctant to discuss the ICC subject. The former Justice and Constitutional Affairs minister, who has featured at the proceedings over claims by the Ruto defence team that she fixed the Deputy President, declined to comment.
Karua could not be drawn into discussion either about the performance of the Jubilee Administration, protesting at the manner in which The Standard on Sunday ambushed her with the questions. According to a close ally of the former Gichugu MP, her stand on ICC had not changed.
Last month, Karua tweeted that she had no regret over her role in the ICC matter. She tweeted that Ruto was responsible for his own fate. “Alijiset kwa vitendo (He set himself up through his own actions),” she said. And she added, “It is indisputable that over a thousand people were murdered, thousands displaced and others maimed. Let the accused answer.”
And noting the Jubilee-led government was faced with a Supreme Court electoral contest over their small margin win, former Deputy Prime Minister Musalia Mudavadi says Jubilee leaders have a crisis of legitimacy. “They should not have taken the winner-take-all stance. It would have been prudent for them to take advantage of the constitutional dictates for regional and ethnic balance to scout widely for political legitimacy through regional and ethnic inclusiveness in executive appointments,” Mudavadi told The Standard On Sunday in an earlier interview.
Sour nerves
AcCORDing to the United Democratic Forum leader, this would have soothed sour nerves and built confidence, and signalled commitment to a process of national healing and reconciliation.
National Assembly Deputy Minority Leader Jackoyo Midiwo said although CORD was sympathetic to the situation facing Uhuru and Ruto, the two should operate within the law.
“CORD also hopes the wananchi will not at the end suffer from the ICC drama,” said Midiwo. Kenya National Congress presidential candidate Peter Kenneth opted not to open up: “On the performance of the President and his deputy and whether or not they should proceed to The Hague, I would rather — as a political leader — not influence anybody’s thought. Let Kenyans observe these developments and make known their feelings.”
But Elgeyo Marakwet Senator Kipchumba Murkomen argues it is no longer the personal concern of the President or his deputy, but a collective concern of the country. “Having been duly sworn into office, it is actually our responsibility as citizens to ensure that the President is at peace and is acCORDingly in a position to deliver on his mandate as per our expectations,” says the vocal URP-allied legislator.
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KENYATTA, a former KANU MP and other Mungiki leaders were responsiblefor planning and coordinating the attacks in Nakuru.
KENYATTA, a former KANU MP and other Mungiki leaders were responsiblefor planning and coordinating the attacks in Nakuru.
A large sum of money and police uniforms were distributed to the Mungiki from the State House in Nakuru. Pro-PNU youth were recruited and registered at the local KANUoffices and funds were made available to them as a down payment for the attacksto be launched.
A former Mungiki National Coordinator spearheaded the Mungiki mobilization and organized oath-taking ceremonies to initiate newly recruited Mungiki members to participate in the fighting.
The most serious wave of violence in Nakuru town erupted during the night of 24 January and lasted until 27 January 2008. The evidence suggests that this wave of violence was launched by the Mungiki and pro-PNU youth. Among the attackers were large groups of pro-PNU youth who came from outside Nakuru town. They were armed with machetes (called pangas), knives and petrol bombs.
The most serious wave of violence in Nakuru town erupted during the night of 24 January and lasted until 27 January 2008. The evidence suggests that this wave of violence was launched by the Mungiki and pro-PNU youth. Among the attackers were large groups of pro-PNU youth who came from outside Nakuru town. They were armed with machetes (called pangas), knives and petrol bombs.
They were deployed to various parts of Nakuru, including Kaptembwa, Kwarhoda, Mwariki, Free Area and Kiti where they went from house to house rounding up and forcibly circumcising Luo men using pangas and broken bottles. Some of those who resisted were beheaded.
Available evidence indicates that the Mungiki and pro-PNU youth attacked in a well-organized and regimented manner. They communicated in Kikuyu and mainly targeted perceived ODM supporters. The target of the attacks was further made obvious by attackers who stated that “all Luos should go back to Nyanza”. In some instances, they shot their victims and then mutilated their bodies to conceal the gunshot wounds.
Available evidence indicates that the Mungiki and pro-PNU youth attacked in a well-organized and regimented manner. They communicated in Kikuyu and mainly targeted perceived ODM supporters. The target of the attacks was further made obvious by attackers who stated that “all Luos should go back to Nyanza”. In some instances, they shot their victims and then mutilated their bodies to conceal the gunshot wounds.
This was reported in Kaptembwa, Sewage, Ponda Mali, Barut and Kapkures.
The attacking pro-PNU youth were paid or rewarded according to their performance. Mungiki members and pro-PNU youth being transported from other provinces enjoyed unhindered passage into Nakuru town.
The response by the Kenya Police to the attacks was notably weak and inadequate, despite having prior knowledge of the attacks, Mungiki deployment plans and the identities of the sponsors and leaders of the attacks. The Kenya Police were slow to respond to the violence, and in many cases they refused to enforce the law or respond to calls to help victims.
Throughout the PEV, between 161 and 213 people were killed in Nakuru, including 48 people killed during the night of 26 January 2008 alone. Those killed during the PEV included at least 43 perceived ODM supporters. At least 359 people were injured. The majority of killings and injuries were caused by sharp objects or instruments.
Based on a list of reported deaths compiled by the CIPEV, at least 45 perceived ODM supporters out of approximately 112 people were killed in Nakuru town between 24 and 27 January.
During the violence, the attacking Mungiki and pro-PNU youth severely injured hundreds of ODM supporters and forcibly displaced thousands from their homes into IDP camps.
Between 24 and 27 January 2008, the Mungiki and pro-PNU youth also committed rape and perpetrated forced male circumcisions and penile amputations on perceived ODM supporters in Nakuru. Forty-five cases of sexual violence were reported during this period, including forced male circumcision and rapes.
Six people were treated at the Provincial General Hospital of Nakuru for traumatic circumcision and penile amputation; 29 rape cases were also treated at the same hospital. In Nakuru, a number of women were gang raped – often in the presence of their husbands – and/or maimed and killed. Others were made to watch as the attackers killed their husbands and children.
We stand to emphasize the truth, truth is one!
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Mungiki leaders who led revenge attacks all killed
Uhuru Kenyatta and Francis Muthaura at the ICC/FILE
The sensational claims were made by counsel Desiree Lurf during submissions highlighting the criminal responsibility of former Police Commissioner Mohammed Hussein Ali in the post-election violence.
Lurf said that Ali ordered the elimination of Mungiki members who could have implicated Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta and Head of Public Service Francis Muthaura in the revenge attacks of 2008.
“Extra judicial killings of high ranking Mungiki members including the wife of the Mungiki leader (April 13 2008) and other two senior members on 28 April (2008) who were the link between (Maina) Njenga and the PNU leadership show that there was an effort by the Kwekwe squad to eliminate high level Mungiki members who knew about the crimes and could testify. Ali ordered the eliminations,” she said.
Lurf further told the court that the report of the UN Special Rapporteur Philip Alston on extra judicial killings in 2009, which recommended of the removal of Ali from the police force, also showed the continued existence of a police squad whose main aim was to eliminate the Mungiki and other suspected top profile criminals at the order of senior police officers.
Ali was also accused of frustrating police investigations into the post-poll chaos in a bid to ensure the main perpetrators evaded justice.
The court also heard that the weapons used by the outlawed Mungiki sect to retaliate in Nakuru and Naivasha were shipped form war torn neighbouring Somalia and transported to State House, Nakuru.
During the third day of confirmation of charges hearing in the case of the prosecutor against Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta, Head of civil service Francis Muthaura and former Police Commissioner Hussein Ali, the prosecution said the Mungiki received the weapons in January 2008 after violence had broken out.
Prosecutor Adeboye Akingbolahan said: “In preparation, the Mungiki purchased weapons from Somalia in January 2008. According to prosecution witness nine, the weapons included guns and machetes.”
The prosecution said that Muthaura and Ali – who had prior knowledge of attacks against ODM supporters – ordered the unhindered movement of Mungiki into the Rift Valley and despite intelligence reports, Ali ensured that police had inadequate resources to combat thw Mungiki in Naivasha while Uhuru was in charge of the finances.
“Most of the money came from Kenyatta. Muthaura instructed police to create a free zone. On a query if police would interfere with the Mungiki’s movement, Muthaura said “the police will not interfere with your work.” He called Ali and ordered that Mungiki should not be disturbed,” Akingbolahan said.
On the third week of January 2008, Central province MPs mobilised pro-PNU youths at rallies. The lawmakers told the youths “to do something” about the attacks on their kinsmen. Volunteers then registered with the Mungiki, were paid and transported to attack locations.
According to the prosecution: witness 12 “The ones in Thika were paid to enter the lorry and were given Sh150, 000 to share among themselves.”
The prosecution affirmed that the suspects gave more money to Mungiki leaders to ensure their continued participation in the common plan.
“Sh20 million was given to a Mungiki leader by a PNU liaison two, to a direct subordinate of Muthaura and Kenyatta. Witness 11 said the liaison was answerable to either the two suspects depending on the nature of the issue in question,” he added.
The first liaison of the PNU is said to have given police uniforms to the Mungiki and was also responsible for distributing weapons.
Kenyatta is said to have placed the Mungiki under the authority of a former KANU MP, who coordinated the revenge attacks in Nakuru and Naivasha.
According to the prosecution, with the execution of the crimes of forcible transfer, rape, forcible circumcision and destruction of property, the perpetrators severely deprived the victims of fundamental rights against international law.
The court heard that the Mungiki inflicted injuries to the mental and physical health of the victims, forcibly circumcised the men, destroyed homes and used terror tactics. Accounts of prosecution witnesses reported that victims of attacks were identified by local informers and use of prepared lists.
The Mungiki and pro-PNU youths are also said to have set up roadblocks in and out of Nakuru to filter non-Kikuyus while persons from the Luo and Luhya communities travelling in public transport vehicles were singled out as the main targets.
Judges at war crimes court were also told that the government received intelligence reports in time to prevent retaliatory killings of ODM supporters after the disputed 2007 general election.
Lurf said that the National Security Intelligence Service (NSIS) had provided information on possible attacks in advance but that Muthaura and Ali deliberately failed to act.
Muthaura was the first among the suspects to mount a defence after the prosecution ends its submissions on Friday evening.
http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2011/09/mungiki-leaders-who-led-revenge-attacks-all-killed/
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Friday, September 23, 2011
Uhuru, Muthaura ‘gave Mungiki police uniforms’
Deputy Prime Minister Uhuru Kenyatta and Cabinet Secretary Francis Muthaura spent more than Sh26 million and dressed Mungiki fighters in Administration Police uniforms to execute deadly attacks against ODM supporters in Nakuru and Naivasha, the ICC was told. (Read: Uhuru organised Kenya chaos, ICC judges told)
International Criminal Court prosecutors, at the end of their submissions aiming to tie the two and Postmaster General Hussein Ali to crime against humanity charges, said the trio was at the heart of a plan to preserve PNU’s hold on power by all means.
Prosecuting lawyer Adeboye Akingbolahan alleged that Mr Kenyatta and Mr Muthaura, who were the leaders of the ad hoc organisation that was formulated during a meeting at State House on December 30, 3007, used their influence to transport Mungiki fighters to Naivasha and Nakuru for the killer mission.
Mr Muthaura was said to have enthusiastically accepted the plan and helped to implement it.
Maj Gen Ali, the Police Commissioner, who is facing the lesser charge of being a co-perpetrator of the crimes, is said to have facilitated attacks in Nakuru and Naivasha by creating a “free-zone” for Mungiki militants to travel two towns.
Quoting several witnesses and reports including those of the National Security Intelligence Services (NSIS), Mr Akingbolahan claimed before the Pre-Trial Chamber that millions of funds were raised by Mr Kenyatta and other PNU MPs to finance the killer mission that was jointly executed by Mungiki militia and pro-PNU youths.
He claimed Mr Kenyatta appointed two other pro-PNU leader as liaison officers who were handed Sh20 million to Mungiki leaders at a meeting in Thika.
“Sh20m was given to a Mungiki leader by a PNU liaison 2, a direct subordinate of Muthaura and Kenyatta. Witness 11 said the liaison was answerable to either the two suspects depending on the nature of the issue in question,” said Mr Akingbohalan.
Another witness quoted by the prosecution claimed that Mr Kenyatta, personally, at Blue Post Hotel in Thika, gave a Mungiki leader Sh6 million and part of the money was given to a former Central Kenya MP who was to coordinated the provision of transport for the attackers to Rift Valley.
On Thursday, the prosecution alleged that Mr Kenyatta gave Sh3.3 million to Mungiki fighters to carry out attacks in Naivasha in retaliation for the killings against the Kikuyu community in Eldoret and South Rift immediately after the presidential election results were announced in late December 2007.
Prime Minister Raila Odinga, the ODM flag bearer, rejected the announcement by the now disbanded Electoral Commission of Kenya that PNU’s President Kibaki had won the elections.
On Friday, the prosecution submitted that six current and former MPs, including Mr Kenyatta, were involved in the plot to attack ODM supporters in Naivasha and Nakuru.
Mr Akingbolahan said two Kanu MPs, one of them from Nakuru, coordinated the attacks in the two towns where those with local knowledge of the residents were used to flash out Luos and other targeted groups.
He quoted a witness said that the new recruits in Thika were paid to enter the lorry and were given Sh150,000 to share among themselves.
He also said that the suspects gave more money to Mungiki leaders to ensure their continued participation in the common plan.
The prosecution said that on the third week of January 2008, Central Province MPs mobilised pro-PNU youths and told them at rallies to do something about the attacks on their kinsmen.
“Volunteers registered with the Mungiki, were paid and transported to attack locations,” said Mr Akingbohalan.
Mr Akingbolahan also claimed that Mungiki bought weapons and also received a shipment of weapons including guns and machetes just arrived from Somalia, which were distributed.
This came on the third day of the hearings for confirmation of charges brought against Mr Kenyatta, Mr Muthaura and Maj Gen Ali by ICC prosecutor arising out of the early 2008; post election violence in which 1,133 people were killed and more than 650,000 displaced from their farms.
Contribution
Mr Akingbolahan said Mr Muthaura made an “essential contribution” by throwing his weight behind the plan.
He offered the testimony of Prosecution Witness Number Four to back this claim:
“He says he was invited to the meeting along with three other Mungiki leaders. The meeting was attended by Francis Muthaura, Uhuru Kenyatta and 10 other individuals. Muthaura adopted the common plan. Then he said that our community in the Rift Valley was being finished and that we needed to revenge or retaliate. We could not stay quiet while our people were being killed. I could see he was emotional and angry. He made us feel like there was a sense of emergency.”
The prosecution team was making their principal submissions as they seek to convince judges to commit Mr Kenyatta, Mr Muthaura and Mr Ali to full trial for their alleged role in the weeks of violence that brought Kenya to the edge of civil war after the disputed 2007 presidential elections.
Eldoret North MP William Ruto, Tinderet MP Henry Kosgey and journalist Joshua arap Sang are facing similar charges of crimes against humanity including murder, forcible transfer and persecution of civilian populations to achieve political ends.
Defence lawyers are expected to spend the next five days offering rebuttals to the prosecution case before judges retire to hand down a decision on whether the six will face trial.
The prosecution team relied heavily on NSIS reports to prove their case that high-ranking officials worked with the Mungiki militants to prepare the attacks.
Mr Akingbolahan quoted an NSIS situation report from early January 2008 which he said noted: “Pro-ODM youths are living in fear of Mungiki youth (in the Naivasha and Nakuru area). The matter has been made worse by reports of plans for attacks by Mungiki youth dressed in police uniforms.”
Citing another NSIS report from January 10 2008 he said: “The NSIS again reported Mungiki elements were meeting at Stem Hotel in Nakuru with a view to attacking ODM strongholds in Eldoret, Kericho and Kisumu.”
Mr Akingbolahan spoke of a weapon mobilisation effort by the militants facilitated from the top by government officials.
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Nov 10 at 1:15 AM
Maurice Oduor
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Ndiritu,
I agree with you. Ocampo and Fatou made a crucial mistake. They made the witnesses available to the defence and thus vulnerable to bribes and intimidation. They should have kept the witnesses out of the bounds of akina Muthaura.
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Nov 10 at 1:21 AM
Courage
maina ndiritu
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they must be idiots
On 11/10/13, Maurice Oduor wrote:
Ndiritu,
I agree with you. Ocampo and Fatou made a crucial mistake. They made thewitnesses available to the defence and thus vulnerable to bribes and intimidation. They should have kept the witnesses out of the bounds of akina Muthaura.
Courage
On Sunday, November 10, 2013 3:09 AM, paul nyandoto wrote:
This is not news to us. Kenyans were told to form local tribunal in kenya and solve these cases themselves in Kenya. The thing was even taken to parliament for debate ; what happened?. The same kenyans refused. So why do you want us to believe now what is being spoken in Germany or by a German while we already know the truth back home?. The mentality of kenyans that the west or whites or even now chinese know better than blacks(Kenyans) will thrive for ever among idiots in Africa. Today is Germans next time it will be chinese, the other day it was some idiot USA prosecutor said this and that.
What do IDPS say now in Kenya?.
Paul
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Subject: CC judge tells Germany that UHURU and RUTO cases were a big mistake - BENSOUDA should end the cases pronto.
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Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 09:09:53 +0300
On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 1:09 AM, maina ndiritu wrote:
Saturday November 9, 2013 –
One of the International Criminal Court (ICC) judges has told a Berlin conference that the ICC made a big mistake when they indicted President Uhuru Kenyatta and his Deputy, William Ruto.
Speaking during a conference about Presidents on Trial and the straining relations between the ICC and the African Union on Wednesday, Judge Hans-Peter Kaul, the German judge who dissented at the pre-trial stage, expressed his dissenting voice because the crimes committed during the 2007-08 post election violence were grave crimes against the laws of Kenya, but they were not crimes against humanity.
“I was and I remain convinced that these trials are a mistake.” Judge Kaul said.
He said former ICC prosecutor, Moreno Ocampo had initially confessed that he made a few mistakes on the Kenyan cases but his successor Fatou Bensouda instead of rectifying them, she made a big mistake which has now threatened the existence of the Hague based court.
Judge Peter Kaul said President Uhuru’s trial has been deferred to February 5 2014 and Fatou Bensouda has time to reflect and drop the case or keep going.
He said the two Kenyans cases may build or destroy the credibility of the court.
The forum was attended by German Minister for Justice.
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